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Old 12-22-2002, 10:47 PM   #16
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Hey, I can't wait for the upcoming KKK game to come out next year!!! I hear you get to run around in a white sheet and do some lynching, burn a few crosses, maybe even get some nigga women!! Great entertainment (and its ONLY entertainment)!

there already is one. you go around shooting black people in the ghetto and jewish bankers.
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Whoa, nbcrusader and I agreed on something...

I, too, find such games disgusting, and parents who let kids play them to be irresponsible at best. There's a big difference between a 20-something playing the game from time to time to blow off steam and a 12-year-old kid playing it because what he'd really like to do is kill his classmates.

I've heard the argument that these games let kids blow off steam, but isn't it irrational that a kid would have so much anger that it needs to be manifested in (simulated) extreme violence? That kid needs a therapist, not a video game.
I think it's unfair to say that parents who let their kids play those games are irresponsible. Again I say, I've played violent video games on occasion, as has my sister...and I don't feel my parents are "irresponsible" people.

Just because a parent lets their kid play a rather violent video game doesn't mean that parent is automatically irresponsible. Perhaps it means they trust their children, they feel they've taught them well enough to be good citizens and don't have to worry about whether or not their child will go and kill their classmates.

Most kids who play those games are not gonna feel like harming anyone after they play them. And those who do will feel that way regardless of what games they're playing.

And if a game lets a kid blow off steam, that doesn't necessarily mean they're that angry a person. They might just be a little miffed about something minor.

And nbcrusader, I think there are 14 year olds out there that could be mature enough to make a decision about whether or not they wish to play a video game. I've seen some 14 year olds that are more mature than 30 some year olds.

Plus, I'm sorry, but if a person looks at the commercials for a video game on T.V. or if they look at the box for the video game, and they see explosions and guns and all that, and they still feel they need a rating to tell them that it's gonna be a rather mature game...then they have no common sense whatsoever.

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Pax, going by what you said, if there IS a problem with the resulting actions of that child playing a violent video game, then nothing changes, and it IS still an issue with the child, not the parental responsibility or even the game itself. Some 14 year olds, or kids of various age groups can play these games with no adverse affects. Like Moonlit_Angel said she played them and there is nothing wrong with her or her parents for trusting that she has/had the capability to maturely play such a game. When I was young, we never really had video games. Instead my sister and I shot each other with suction cap guns and played cowboys and indians with the other kids in the street. Still exposure to violence, and no adverse affects. GTA specifically though, isn't a childrens game and it shouldn't really be accepted as one. The M rating in American standards shows that it is not recommended for anyone under the age of 17. If stores are able to sell it without repurcussions, that is part of the problem. I dont know what your equivalent is of the OFLC is, but whoever it is has a role that is not being met. Age restrictions shouldn't be a token voluntary move by the company making these games, it has to be an enforcable law that unsuitably aged people cannot buy them. If the household has a child that a responsible parent feels can handle playing such a game, then they can buy the game and monitor their child playing it. Child meaning teen. I wouldn't think these types of things are ok for anyone under the age of about 15 -17 personally.
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Old 12-23-2002, 02:43 AM   #19
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Re: Re: You can't ban the games, but.....

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Whoa, nbcrusader and I agreed on something...

I, too, find such games disgusting, and parents who let kids play them to be irresponsible at best. There's a big difference between a 20-something playing the game from time to time to blow off steam and a 12-year-old kid playing it because what he'd really like to do is kill his classmates.

I've heard the argument that these games let kids blow off steam, but isn't it irrational that a kid would have so much anger that it needs to be manifested in (simulated) extreme violence? That kid needs a therapist, not a video game.
most 12 year old kids are VERY angry...
12 years old was, for me, seventh grade... and I'll put it this way, seventh grade was so bad I have it blocked out of my memory. Sixth and eighth grade weren't so hot either... at that age teens have the most pressure to conform/be cool/fit in/find your identity, and what happens, you hit puberty and your body decides it's now going to be the ugliest it can be. I remember a thread about teasing in some forum awhile back, and the things that were done to some people here at that age were very cruel, it's awful.
Adolescence is a very hard time for teens and they do have a lot of steam to blow off.

anyway, back on topic, I think stores do need to crack down on checking ID for violent games, kids don't need to be having sex with prostitutes in video games. I also think that any kid that goes out and kills someone because they saw it in a game had a problem with reality before they played it and that is not the fault of said game. That goes back to the checking of ID...
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Re: Re: Re: You can't ban the games, but.....

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I think it's unfair to say that parents who let their kids play those games are irresponsible. Again I say, I've played violent video games on occasion, as has my sister...and I don't feel my parents are "irresponsible" people.
Well, I should qualify that. There is, I will admit, a big difference between parents who generally look after their kids and feel that their kids are mature enough to play such a game and parents who plop a ten-year-old down in front of GTA for hours on end. I doubt that Moonlit_Angel will be gunning people down in the street tomorrow.

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And if a game lets a kid blow off steam, that doesn't necessarily mean they're that angry a person. They might just be a little miffed about something minor.
True enough, but still, wouldn't it be more effective for their parents/older siblings/other trusted friend and authority figure to actually sit down and talk to the kid? Doesn't this say something about our culture that we'd rather let the kid pretend to shoot people for a few hours than sit down, talk to him or her, and help him or her work out those problems? As Kristie pointed out, 12-year-olds ARE angry--and she's right. I'm not that old; I remember what it was like to be 12 and 13. I used to come home every day from school and listen to Alanis Morrissette's Jagged Little Pill and throw things and cry. But that in itself, while helpful, was not a solution. I was lucky my mom, my grandparents, my friends, and others picked up on how upset and stressed out I was and came to help me.

I suppose what makes me angry are not the games themselves, but our culture of irresponsibility that would, in fact, let *young* children (no matter how ill-equipped) purchase and play such games. I don't believe in censorship, and I agree that ratings probably don't help. This problem is bigger; the games are a symptom, not the problem itself.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: You can't ban the games, but.....

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True enough, but still, wouldn't it be more effective for their parents/older siblings/other trusted friend and authority figure to actually sit down and talk to the kid? Doesn't this say something about our culture that we'd rather let the kid pretend to shoot people for a few hours than sit down, talk to him or her, and help him or her work out those problems? As Kristie pointed out, 12-year-olds ARE angry--and she's right. I'm not that old; I remember what it was like to be 12 and 13. I used to come home every day from school and listen to Alanis Morrissette's Jagged Little Pill and throw things and cry. But that in itself, while helpful, was not a solution. I was lucky my mom, my grandparents, my friends, and others picked up on how upset and stressed out I was and came to help me.
That's a good point. And you are right-if a kid has a problem, I would hope they'd have people around them that will help them out and will be there for them all the time. It makes me sad to know that there are kids out there who feel like they have absolutely nobody in this world they can turn to during a tough time. There were kids at my old school who would sit there and talk about how they were left home alone for almost the entire night while their parents went out and partied and whatnot all night or went around with tons of people or were in jail and all that crap, it's like...that's not what a kid's life should be like.

I definitely agree with you on this.

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Old 12-25-2002, 05:54 AM   #22
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IMO if anything, games like GTA relieve homicidal and violent tendancies!
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How many of you here have played these controversial games in question?

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Kristie pointed out, 12-year-olds ARE angry--and she's right. I'm not that old; I remember what it was like to be 12 and 13. I used to come home every day from school and listen to Alanis Morrissette's Jagged Little Pill and throw things and cry. But that in itself, while helpful, was not a solution. I was lucky my mom, my grandparents, my friends, and others picked up on how upset and stressed out I was and came to help me.

I suppose what makes me angry are not the games themselves, but our culture of irresponsibility that would, in fact, let *young* children (no matter how ill-equipped) purchase and play such games. I don't believe in censorship, and I agree that ratings probably don't help. This problem is bigger; the games are a symptom, not the problem itself.
If it wasn't Alanis Morrisette, it would have been another album. If it isn't GTA, it will be another game. Media, in essence, isn't the problem, and making the world a sterile, padded room isn't going to end world strife. Lest we forget, our world was far more violent and hate-filled before mass media. Media is just a scapegoat, pure and simple. Unfortunately, the true problems are being swept under the rug in the meantime.

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If it wasn't Alanis Morrisette, it would have been another album. If it isn't GTA, it will be another game. Media, in essence, isn't the problem, and making the world a sterile, padded room isn't going to end world strife. Lest we forget, our world was far more violent and hate-filled before mass media. Media is just a scapegoat, pure and simple. Unfortunately, the true problems are being swept under the rug in the meantime.

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Old 12-26-2002, 03:19 PM   #26
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i bought "Grand Theaft Auto" for my 14 yr. old brother for christmas...i figure whatever; he already watches porn, admitted to me he masterbates everyday/couple times a week & has had sex w/ his girlfriend .....is a stupid (entertaining!) game going to corrupt him that much more?

anyone have any thoughts on this?
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I have a question for all of the Grand Theft Auto fans:

If I designed a game called "Convenience Store Clerk" where you play the part of a clerk at a convenience store and you have to fight off all of these armed criminals who come in the store to rob you, and you score points by how well you shoot their heads off, would you like that game? Would it be acceptbale? For kids? For adults? Whomever?

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it would be a very boring game indeed bama unlike the groundbreaking GTA series.
i'm sure it'll find a niche following if you released it on PC. there is a multitude of crap on PC. i'm sure your idea has been done in flash or something.
try here:
www.newgrounds.com
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The game where you hit the pengies is not suitable for any age group.
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