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Old 08-12-2016, 10:51 PM   #211
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He gets all of his press by calling for the assassination of his opponent.
Whereas Hillary Clinton has actually assassinated people (so it's rumored) and the NRA is quite upset that Clinton is so against owning guns....
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:56 PM   #213
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(so it's rumored)
Yeah. Exactly. And who is it rumoured by?
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She gets away with all these things because people think it is an accusation from the other side, or that she has all this political experience she couldn't have done something so awful...ask the victims in the wake of Bill Clinton's numerous affairs, starting in Arkansas. Ask the families of the Bengazi victims, whom she outright lied to...follow the money of the Clinton foundation, it is practically quid pro quo giving favors for donations.
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So Trump says the only way he can lose Pennsylvania is if Clinton cheats.

He's on track to make Hope Solo look like the most gracious loser ever.
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She gets away with all these things because people think it is an accusation from the other side, or that she has all this political experience she couldn't have done something so awful...ask the victims in the wake of Bill Clinton's numerous affairs, starting in Arkansas. Ask the families of the Bengazi victims, whom she outright lied to...follow the money of the Clinton foundation, it is practically quid pro quo giving favors for donations.
Or, look at everything that has been thrown at the Clintons since the 90s when "Clinton Attack" became the Republican's MO and see how virtually nothing has stuck, because very little of it has any merit. And, if there were anything of substance, I guarantee it would have been found, since they have been investigated to death for a couple of decades now. No one is that teflon. If there were anything, it would have been found. But either way.

By virtue of this part, I almost feel like I'm giving weight, which there is none, to your Clinton slams...but even if they were true, would you rather give the nuclear codes to someone like her, or some thin skinned narcissist with no impulse control, as proven by the way he's run his campaign, like Trump? There is only one sane answer to this question.
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Whereas Hillary Clinton has actually assassinated people (so it's rumored) and the NRA is quite upset that Clinton is so against owning guns....
You believe the rumors, you believe Obama founded ISIS, you believe Trump wants your success, you believe in reality TV, you believe the devil cares that I compared him to Cruz...

I have a bridge I'd like to sell. In fact Trump built it. I'll give you a great deal.


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She gets away with all these things because people think it is an accusation from the other side, or that she has all this political experience she couldn't have done something so awful...ask the victims in the wake of Bill Clinton's numerous affairs, starting in Arkansas. Ask the families of the Bengazi victims, whom she outright lied to...follow the money of the Clinton foundation, it is practically quid pro quo giving favors for donations.

I'm guessing you believe that you've talked to these people as well? Do you also believe you have the smoking gun?

You say you're a Democrat, you say you voted for Sanders, yet like a mindless drone you reiterate the far right's rhetoric "she needs the lowly that depend on government" blah blah blah. You're a liar. Why are you even trying?!


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I poorly made this point before, but why engage Donald Trump's crap? It's like engaging Debra's post. It's not worth contradicting.
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I poorly made this point before, but why engage Donald Trump's crap? It's like engaging Debra's post. It's not worth contradicting.
True. I know I haven't contributed a ton to these threads, but I've been reading for months now, and my radar has been pinged. It's either an alter with a VPN, or a sudden Trump shill.
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You believe the rumors, you believe Obama founded ISIS, you believe Trump wants your success, you believe in reality TV, you believe the devil cares that I compared him to Cruz...

I have a bridge I'd like to sell. In fact Trump built it. I'll give you a great deal.





I'm guessing you believe that you've talked to these people as well? Do you also believe you have the smoking gun?

You say you're a Democrat, you say you voted for Sanders, yet like a mindless drone you reiterate the far right's rhetoric "she needs the lowly that depend on government" blah blah blah. You're a liar. Why are you even trying?!


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Ow, that hurts! Why do we need a smoking gun? We have a trail of miscreant activity. "smoking gun" comes from the Liberal media.

It's well known, not just by the far right, that Democrats depend on minority and poor people's votes, that's history.

I stand by all of my personal assertions.

Bill Clinton was impeached, btw, after getting a blow job in his White House office, and lying about it, and Hillary stood by her man.
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I poorly made this point before, but why engage Donald Trump's crap? It's like engaging Debra's post. It's not worth contradicting.
Yeah. It's all been pretty useless anyway. The whole process, the whole back and forth. Even seriously considering the idea that this guy might actually be President one day. Oh, I'm not saying it hasn't been entertaining because it has...but this election has been decided for a long damn time. The GOP needed a Hail Mary candidate like Trump to even have a prayer and had he been different, or even merely competent, the GOP just might have stood a chance because of his independently wealthy, celebrity, outsider status.

But no, he was far worse than anyone might have imagined, even if accepting all the offensiveness. The guy is a bigger know-nothing than anyone could have ever thought. And he's not really even 'as billed'. He's not an outsider. He's a campaign funder...a legal briber himself. He's supposed to be Joe America out to make sweet trade deals, yet he makes all his products overseas. He's supposed to be a warrior for average middle America and continues to double down on the same supply-side policies that have gutted the middle class. I mean...I could type 1,000 words on what's wrong with his candidacy. What's the point? He's not remotely going to win. And if they had nominated Jeb or Cruz or...whoever, they most likely weren't going to win regardless.

But anyway, it took me following about 4 elections closely in my lifetime to figure it out. Once 2012 hammered it home once and for all...I'm not looking back until proven otherwise. Following the day to day of these elections is totally useless (I mean, I follow it too, I'm just saying, getting too caught up in the micro narratives).

We can look no further back than 2004 and 2012 as great examples. Both incumbents, if following the 'micro', looked like they could have easily lost. Especially Bush in 2004. If you were following the polls and the BS and the news cycle (and especially if you wanted that to happen - as I did). In hindsight, that was never going to happen. 2008 was also pretty much baked in the cake...McCain never really had a shot. Though meaningless polling always says otherwise. And given that people always want to hear what they want to hear...there's always a reason to believe.

But all we had to do was look at the 'macro', the big picture, and it was all right there. In hindsight, it's easily predictable and obvious. And with the exception of a true toss up in 2000, that has been true of every other election in modern times. So if we are informed enough in the first place and just look at the macro, we shouldn't need hindsight to see the obvious. This is why I think I've made all of about 3 or 4 posts on this election.

So I'm going to come back on election night and copy and paste what I said months and months ago. And it will be essentially right. And it won't be because I'm Nostradamus. The GOP has a long, long way to go. And they certainly couldn't get there nominating someone like this, even against an incredibly unpopular Dem candidate. Joe Biden would have wiped Trump off the face of the earth. Even so, I'm curious to whether Trump can clear what Romney got in 2012 - which was 206 electoral votes. If Trump loses NC, which is very possible, he won't.

If she wins Florida on election night, have a drink, because it will be over that early. He simply can't win w/o FL. And even if he does win FL, he's got to sweep OH and PA in addition to holding what Romney won. Ain't happening and almost certainly never was. Maybe Kasich could have won OH and PA. Maybe he would have been the guy who could have pulled the upset...on second thought, nah, as I alluded to, I'm not getting fooled again until I'm actually fooled again. The GOP, more than anything else, has got to get right on economics before it can win the Presidency again. That's what people care about the most, even beyond the social politics of the day which are genuinely beginning to wear on a lot of people. It's just getting harder and harder to convince people that it's a good idea to funnel money up the ladder that hasn't come back down the ladder in at least a generation or two.

I say this as an advocate of generally smaller government, less than high taxation, a balanced budget, against deficit spending...pro-business capitalist...I understand all of it. I am also an Independent for the last 20 years...I've voted Dem and Rep, and I am not opposed to voting either in any given year. But there is no moral equivalence here. The Dems might work for the State, something I am not a fan of, but the Reps work for the Rich. And while I'm not someone who begrudges the rich, this is precisely why we are where we are. No, I'm also not for massive wealth redistribution ala Bernie...just don't feel I have many choices.

And more to the point, it's just increasingly harder to sell people on things that demonstrably don't work ("Reaganomics"). I invite any of the beleaguered Trump fans that don't understand what I'm saying to go watch Bill Clinton's 2012 DNC speech on Republican economics. Everything he said in it is/was true and more to the point - more people are believing in that truth than not - on GOP economics. Dismiss it as biased info from a liberal...it really was true. All of it. That's what made it such an incredible speech. How he can deliver that kind of information as if he was just a guy at a coffee shop.

There are lot of people like me, someone that could have easily voted for a Jon Huntsman type. A centric GOP candidate. But these types are the enemy of the Republican base. Dirty "RINOs". I get it, they've lied to the people for years to get their votes (while only doing the bidding of their funders). "We will give you jetpacks!" And now the people want their jetpacks. The GOP's national appeal is just simply finite. And if it's not a midterm election where so many people sit at home, they have no shot. There are only so many resentful and highly religious people you can pander to these days - in order to do the bidding of corporations and the extremely wealthy. The old tricks of the Party of the Rich are wearing thin. Nominating this fraud might seem like a solution to some, but better luck next time - for us all. Not that any of this is an endorsement of the Party of the State...but it is what it is.

As South Park framed it 12 years ago...The Turd Sandwich is a little better than the Giant Douche. Maybe 4 years from now we'll have a real 'outsider' who is competent and electable. Maybe that candidate will appeal more to our increasing (especially Gen X and millenials) libertarian natures...and this authoritarian bullshit can finally die its much belated death.
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Ow, that hurts! Why do we need a smoking gun? We have a trail of miscreant activity. "smoking gun" comes from the Liberal media.
Seriously, this makes absolutely no sense. Are you enjoying some sangria tonight?

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It's well known, not just by the far right, that Democrats depend on minority and poor people's votes, that's history.
Wow! As a self proclaimed "Christian", do you really want to go down this route?

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I stand by all of my personal assertions.
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Bill Clinton was impeached, btw, after getting a blow job in his White House office, and lying about it, and Hillary stood by her man.
Thank you for the history lesson. And your point? You do know of Trump's marriage record, right?


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Ow, that hurts! Why do we need a smoking gun? We have a trail of miscreant activity. "smoking gun" comes from the Liberal media.
You don't seem at all concerned about the verifiably true miscreant activity Trump has engaged in. Why is that?

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Serving the poor and marginalized is also one of the central teachings of the Christian faith, and yet it's mocked as some wackadoo liberal agenda by many self-professed Christians on the right. Besides, it's completely misleading and insulting to claim that the main reason minorities and the poor tend to vote Democrat is because of government handouts.

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Bill Clinton was impeached, btw, after getting a blow job in his White House office, and lying about it, and Hillary stood by her man.

I'm so glad you have enough insight into their relationship to be able to cast her in such a negative light for the actions of her husband.
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I wish we had a candidate running against Clinton that would allow us actual, real discussions about the Clinton Foundation, her foreign policy, and her connections to Wall Street. I really do.

Instead, we got a Republican.

That's pretty much how my girlfriend summed it up the other day. You can't ever even have much of a discussion about the Democrat's flaws because everybody on the level is batshit afraid of what's on the other side. Rightfully so, mind you.

It doesn't help matters that Clinton is facing off against that Republican.

If Clinton were facing off against a more moderate challenger in some European country, the media would be having an endless field day investigating all of these issues. The more you go down the rabbit hole, the worse everything gets with the Clinton Foundation and it's shit that should automatically disqualify anyone to be President.

But then what can we really do in this system? On the plus side, the honest guy with no baggage or corporate money came pretty damn close this past Spring.
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I'm so glad you have enough insight into their relationship to be able to cast her in such a negative light for the actions of her husband.
It's common knowledge that Hillary went out of her way to discredit any woman that brought up allegations about Bill while literally every history from people that knew them as a couple were aware that Bill would have flings on the side. That's information from the women that said they slept with him (or claimed sexual assault), his mistresses, etc.

If you honestly think Hillary Clinton was blindsided when Bill finally revealed under oath that he had cheated on her, then I've got a Bridge to Atlantis to sell you. Hillary has certainly been well aware of her husband's indiscretions and there's basically nobody in the media that actually believes they have a regular domestic life.

So for Clinton to willingly engage in fraud concerning their private life and then try to publicly hang women that she knew had slept with her husband or been assaulted by him, well yes, she is culpable for his actions.


Honestly, show of hands. Who in here thinks Monica is the only one that Bill had a fling with? Who in here thinks all of the women that accused him of assault are liars? And who in here thinks Hillary Clinton was never truly aware of this activity until he admitted the Lewinski fling to the American people?

I'll be flabbergasted if a single person in this thread actually says yes to any of those questions. You then tell me how someone can be considered a feminist icon when they've acted in that fashion.
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