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Old 10-05-2007, 01:04 PM   #211
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Oh, Rudy...

Poor Rudy has lost it, I think some former FYM posters may be running his campaign...
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:05 PM   #212
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Ooh, Socialism.. Communism-everybody get under your desks, duck and cover!

By Abdon Pallasch
Sun-Times Political Writer

GLEN ELLYN, Ill. -At a suburban Chicago community college, Republican Rudy Giuliani campaigned Thursday as if the primary elections were over and his only opponent for president was Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Giuliani, speaking at the College of DuPage, repeatedly slammed "HillaryCare" as "socialized medicine" and accused the Democratic frontrunner of supporting "socialism" for her proposal to give every American $5,000 when they are born as a college account.

"If the shoe fits ... You want to give 5 grand to everyone born in the United States. Tell me that isn't socialism," Giuliani said.

Former New York Mayor Giuliani and Clinton, a Senator from New York, have fund-raisers a few block apart in Chicago Thursday.
What the hell is he smoking? Yes, how dare we provide health care and education for future generations when we can spend billions on our freedom-fighting mission in the Middle East: It's all about priorities people, and the welfare of human beings isn't one of them! It's good to know where rich, white assholes stand on helping out the "little people"!

On a side note, how could anyone be ignorant enough to talk about opposing funding for college, while speaking at a...*wait for it*.....college?
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so aside from labeling the plan, did he actually address the issues of higher education and health care costs?

this guy is a nut. MANY countries elsewhere have free healthcare and tuition-free higher education. they are far from socialist. i wish more people would realize how common AND beneficial it is, rather than labeling it something that it is not.

and telling college students he doesn't want to reduce their tuition isn't going to win any hearts.
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so aside from labeling the plan, did he actually address the issues of higher education and health care costs?

this guy is a nut. MANY countries elsewhere have free healthcare and tuition-free higher education. they are far from socialist. i wish more people would realize how common AND beneficial it is, rather than labeling it something that it is not.

and telling college students he doesn't want to reduce their tuition isn't going to win any hearts.
I absolutely agree. It would take a lot of careful planning on the government's part, because without caution it could become socialism. Yet, our current system is simply not working either. We either have to go to a system similar to that prescribed by Hillary Clinton and others who agree with her, or find some middle ground that would make everyone happy. (Good luck on option 2.) If the next president, doesn't make these 2 issues his/her top priority than this country will just continue on the regressive path its been on for the past 7 years. I don't think we can take any more of that.
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I absolutely agree. It would take a lot of careful planning on the government's part, because without caution it could become socialism. Yet, our current system is simply not working either. We either have to go to a system similar to that prescribed by Hillary Clinton and others who agree with her, or find some middle ground that would make everyone happy. (Good luck on option 2.) If the next president, doesn't make these 2 issues his/her top priority than this country will just continue on the regressive path it's been on for the past 7 years. I don't think we can take any more of that.
well, the problem right now is that institutions of higher education are state mandated. thus why in-state tuition can vary from state to state. i've had loads of friends in the northeast who went to college with me in va simply because the in-state tuition was comparable to my schools out-of-state tuition.

so, leaving one state to go to another to go to college is one thing. if tuition costs continue to skyrocket, soon the prices may be comparable to pursuing a degree abroad. then the system is REALLY screwed.
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so aside from labeling the plan, did he actually address the issues of higher education and health care costs?
Why would he want to do that? Then people would ask hard questions.
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well, the problem right now is that institutions of higher education are state mandated. thus why in-state tuition can vary from state to state. i've had loads of friends in the northeast who went to college with me in va simply because the in-state tuition was comparable to my schools out-of-state tuition.

so, leaving one state to go to another to go to college is one thing. if tuition costs continue to skyrocket, soon the prices may be comparable to pursuing a degree abroad. then the system is REALLY screwed.
That is one of the the things that has bothered me most about higher education. What exactly is the difference in having a student from Michigan, for example, (since that's where I'm from and go to school) attend a college here or to have a student come here from, say, Minnesota? The price to educate is the same, so I don't see why a student coming from another state has to be charged thousands of dollars more per year than me. I'm already paying too much! The bottom line is, I really feel that there needs to be a fixed, affordable tuition rate both for 2 year colleges and 4 year universities that is established at the federal level. I don't know how that would go about being established or how financial aid would be qualified for those who need it, but something has to be addressed in this area. The costs to attend school are getting ridiculous. I've been blessed quite a bit in the scholarship area, so I haven't had to worry about student loans as of yet. Some of my friends, though are paying for the majority of their college with loans and will be paying them off for God knows how long. The next president really needs to get a handle on the education system, at all levels, because we're failing in every area imaginable.
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Why would he want to do that? Then people would ask hard questions.
Oh, snap!
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That is one of the the things that has bothered me most about higher education. What exactly is the difference in having a student from Michigan, for example, (since that's where I'm from and go to school) attend a college here or to have a student come here from, say, Minnesota? The price to educate is the same, so I don't see why a student coming from another state has to be charged thousands of dollars more per year than me. I'm already paying too much! The bottom line is, I really feel that there needs to be a fixed, affordable tuition rate both for 2 year colleges and 4 year universities that is established at the federal level. I don't know how that would go about being established or how financial aid would be qualified for those who need it, but something has to be addressed in this area. The costs to attend school are getting ridiculous. I've been blessed quite a bit in the scholarship area, so I haven't had to worry about student loans as of yet. Some of my friends, though are paying for the majority of their college with loans and will be paying them off for God knows how long. The next president really needs to get a handle on the education system, at all levels, because we're failing in every area imaginable.
States taxes pay for state colleges. The thinking is that if you've lived in a state for x number of years, your taxes have paid for the college.

Be careful aboiut too much federal involvement in education. It's a double-edged sword.
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States taxes pay for state colleges. The thinking is that if you've lived in a state for x number of years, your taxes have paid for the college.
At least that makes sense.

In Canada, if I go to law school in any province, the cost is the same as that to students in that province. If I go to Quebec, I'm charged twice as much. So in summary: Quebec students get to benefit from our provincial taxes; we get no benefit from theirs.
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States taxes pay for state colleges. The thinking is that if you've lived in a state for x number of years, your taxes have paid for the college.

Be careful aboiut too much federal involvement in education. It's a double-edged sword.
I understand where they're coming from on the taxes front. I do think the enormous jump in price (at least in Michigan) for out of state students is ludicrous. For those coming here from other states, there are students leaving here to go to another state. I would think that a lot of extra cost would be offset by the flow of students leaving to attend college in another state and those coming in to attend school here, that would allow for a slightly fairer rate overall. I don't know the economics or logistics, but I'd like to see state and federal lawmakers working towards a solution moreso than they seem to be doing. As for the federal involvement in education; I agree. I think because I've become biased being a college student now and seeing myself and friends struggle with costs. I'd like to see more federal aid, but not an increase in federal involvement. I realized that that is next to impossible. The government at every level though, has done a poor job of making education avaliable to everyone, and I'd like to see some kind of solution in the coming years. I don't think I'm educated enough myself at this point to really have a handle on the enormity of the problem or to offer up any real solutions that wouldn't be based on my "poor college student" view.
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At least that makes sense.

In Canada, if I go to law school in any province, the cost is the same as that to students in that province. If I go to Quebec, I'm charged twice as much. So in summary: Quebec students get to benefit from our provincial taxes; we get no benefit from theirs.
That's awful! Quebec is a province too, so why would the cost be so much more?
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Obama vows to boost veterans care

By AMY LORENTZEN, Associated Press Writer

Democrat Barack Obama on Friday pledged better care for America's veterans if elected president.

Obama, a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, promised improved medical care and an end to delays of disability claims. He proposed hiring more workers to handle claims, and making veterans' medical records electronic so they can be easily reached.

"As president, I won't stand for hundreds of thousands of veterans waiting for benefits," he told a crowd of about 300 people at a community college in northern Iowa.

On Friday, Obama also began running a new TV ad in Iowa, focusing on his early opposition to the war in Iraq. The ad features an endorsement from former Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak, the former chief of staff of the Air Force. McPeak, who supported Bob Dole's Republican presidential bid in 1996 and George Bush's in 2000, has been a longtime critic of the Iraq War.

"Judgment is what we need from our next commander in chief," McPeak says in the 30-second ad. "Barack Obama opposed this war in Iraq from the start, showing insight and courage others did not. And he's our best hope to restore our security and standing in today's world. The old Washington hands have let us down. We need a new leader to lift America."

The ad comes a day after Obama caused a stir by remarking that he no longer wears an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Campaign manager David Plouffe said the McPeak ad had been scheduled to begin Friday and was not timed to defuse any fallout from Obama's flag pin remarks.

McPeak, speaking to reporters on a teleconference call, dismissed the flag pin issue as "the old gotcha politics."

"The American people are wise enough to understand the difference between petty symbolism and real substance, real courage, real judgment, which is what Barack brings to this ball game," McPeak said.

The Illinois senator outlined his plan for veterans after recent reports showed that the Department of Veterans Affairs has lagged in making improvements to Walter Reed Army Medical Center. The government is investigating the hospital due to disclosures of roach-infested conditions and shoddy outpatient care.

Obama said it's not enough to make a speech on Veteran's Day or lay a wreath on Memorial Day.

"When a veteran is denied health care, we're all dishonored," he said. "When 400,000 veterans are stuck on a waiting list for claims, we need a new sense of urgency in this country."

He said too many veterans slip through the cracks, and he would institute a zero tolerance policy for veteran homelessness.

"There should be no homeless veterans," he said. "We'll stand with veterans in their hour of need just as they have stood up for us."

Chris Taylor, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said President Bush has increased the VA's budget 83 percent since 2005 and understands the need for care.

"It's hard to listen to the rookie senator talk about funding when he continues to vote against funding our troops in Iraq," Taylor said in a statement.

During an earlier campaign stop at a YMCA gym in Charles City, Obama was asked if he would end the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding homosexuality. He answered that the policy is a mistake.

"Anybody who is willing to serve our country and die on a battlefield for us and our patriots, that's the criteria for whether or not they should be able to serve in our military," Obama said. "England doesn't have this policy. Israel doesn't have this policy. It's an outdated policy."
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There they go again, slamming health care insurance programs as "socialized medicine". Giuliani should be ashamed of himself. We need to do something about all of the millions of people who don't have health insurance. This pisses me off big time.
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During an earlier campaign stop at a YMCA gym in Charles City, Obama was asked if he would end the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding homosexuality. He answered that the policy is a mistake.

"Anybody who is willing to serve our country and die on a battlefield for us and our patriots, that's the criteria for whether or not they should be able to serve in our military," Obama said. "England doesn't have this policy. Israel doesn't have this policy. It's an outdated policy."
Yes, indeed.
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