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NY Times

February 11, 2008
Bush, Breaking Campaign Silence, Offers a Nod to McCain (and Huckabee)
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

WASHINGTON — President Bush broke his silence on the 2008 presidential race on Sunday, giving his imprimatur to Senator John McCain of Arizona as a “true conservative,” who nonetheless has “got some convincing to do” to persuade fellow Republicans of his bona fides with the right.

The remark, in an hourlong interview broadcast on “Fox News Sunday,” was as close to an endorsement as Mr. McCain will get from Mr. Bush at this stage, before a nominee has been officially declared. It was also a sharp departure for Mr. Bush, who had refused to be drawn into commenting on the race.

“I think that if John’s the nominee, he’s got some convincing to do to convince people that he is a solid conservative,” Mr. Bush told the Fox host, Chris Wallace. “And I’ll be glad to help him if he’s the nominee, because he is a conservative.”

With conservative pundits like Rush Limbaugh saying that a McCain nomination would destroy the Republican Party, the senator’s advisers had been hoping for just this sort of public embrace. It came on the heels of Mr. Bush’s call for unity in a speech Friday to the Conservative Political Action Conference, which was also widely interpreted as an implicit endorsement of Mr. McCain.

Until now, with the exception of an early prediction that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York would be the Democratic nominee, Mr. Bush had done his best to steer clear of extensive discussions of the candidates, especially the Republicans. He has repeatedly said he will not be the “pundit in chief,” and said on Sunday that he did not want to get “into the trap again of getting involved in this primary.”

Even so, Mr. Bush offered his thoughts not only on Mr. McCain, but also on the other remaining Republican candidate, Mike Huckabee, and the Democrats as well. He also defended former President Bill Clinton, who has been accused of playing on racial sentiments by attacking Mrs. Clinton’s opponent, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois.

“I can understand why President Clinton wants to campaign hard for his wife,” Mr. Bush said. “And you know, these accusations that Bill Clinton is a racist I think is just wrong. I just don’t agree with it.”

Mr. Bush did not stick with his earlier prediction that Mrs. Clinton would win.

“I predicted Senator Clinton because I knew that she understands the klieg lights and understands the pressures,” he said, adding, “And that race seems far from over to me.”

He also criticized Mr. Obama’s foreign policy positions, saying, “I certainly don’t know what he believes in.” That brought a retort from the Obama campaign, whose spokesman, Bill Burton, said Mr. Obama “doesn’t need any foreign policy advice from the architect of the worst foreign policy decision in a generation.”

On the Republican side, Mr. Bush took pains to describe Mr. Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas who is trailing far behind Mr. McCain in the race for delegates, as “a good, solid conservative person.” Asked about Mr. Huckabee’s accusation that the White House exhibits an “arrogant bunker mentality” with respect to foreign policy, Mr. Bush dismissed it.

“Yeah, I think he’s tried to walk back that position,” the president said.

Mr. Bush reserved his most extensive remarks for Mr. McCain. Conservatives are deeply mistrustful of the senator, whose advisers are hoping an embrace by Mr. Bush could help bring the divided party together.

Mr. McCain’s differences with the White House are well known. He did not vote for the president’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, a sore point with groups like the conservative Club for Growth. And he disagreed with Mr. Bush on campaign finance reform and the use of harsh interrogation tactics against terrorism suspects. But Mr. Bush defended him.

“I know him well,” Mr. Bush said. “I know his convictions. I know the principles that drive him. And no doubt in my mind he is a true conservative.”
 
I've encountered people hunting squirrels for food while hiking in Michigan, Maine, New York and Indiana...it's common enough in lots of states with large rural populations and extensive forests, I think. Never tried it personally...
 
DaveC said:
This weekend is the tipping point that carries Obama into the nomination.

Mark my words.

Way to go out on a limb there! :wink:

I think it's quite obvious that Obama is going to surge ahead and win this now. I don't see Clinton being able to stop it, unless something drastically changes over the next few weeks.
 
phanan said:


Way to go out on a limb there! :wink:

I think it's quite obvious that Obama is going to surge ahead and win this now. I don't see Clinton being able to stop it, unless something drastically changes over the next few weeks.

I don't know. It's still ridiculously close. If Hilary takes Texas and Ohio.....

I want Obama though.
 
U2democrat said:
:ohmy:

I've just been asked to go on a local radio show tomorrow as an Obama supporter...

By 'asked', do you mean they've asked you to simply give your time to them, or will they give you $?

Either way, congrats.
 
I'm simply giving my time.

I'm not sure what station yet, I'm still waiting for the info (one of my professors called me saying a friend of his is a producer of a radio show and they were looking for a well spoken Obama supporter :shrug: )
 
I saw this story on ABC News over the weekend and thought it was interesting, they interviewed some of them and it was more than what is on their site

Are Young Evangelicals Skewing More Liberal?

Observers Say Younger Christians Have Longer, Broader List of Social Concerns

Feb. 10, 2008—

A younger generation of evangelical Christians is coming of age -- and as they head to the polls, they are breaking from their parents and focusing on a broader range of issues than just abortion and gay marriage.

This weekend at a concert and a rally in New York City, a huge gathering of Christian youth came together to decry the coarsening of culture.

"What should be done to stop glamorizing the things that are destroying my friends, your friends -- like drugs, alcohol and sex?" cried a young evangelical.

The top three issues these young evangelical Christians said they most want the presidential candidates to address are Internet pornography, media glamorization of sex and drugs, and children orphaned by AIDS. Abortion and gay marriage were not at the top of their list.

Many of those who did rank abortion as their number one issue also said their favorite candidate was Barack Obama.

When asked if they were bothered that Obama is pro-choice, one young evangelical responded: "Maybe a little bit, but it's all personal preference. I mean, you can't really pass judgment on someone because that's their belief."

This is a significant departure from the older generation of evangelicals.

Only 40 percent of evangelicals younger than 30 call themselves Republicans, according to a recent survey conducted by the Pew Research Center. Two years ago, 55 percent of them did.

The study also found that they are more interested in environmental causes, improving health care and combating poverty than their parents.

Observers say traditional leaders like Pat Robertson and James Dobson are now being replaced by more moderate leaders like mega church pastor Rick Warren -- and by a young generation with a much broader agenda.
 
I would definitely agree. I would hope we're moving past those 2 issues into those that are imperative right now. I'm actually quite disappointed that these young Christians are ranking Internet porn as their most important issue. Are you kidding me?:| It's not something I'm into, and I think many parents need to have much stricter rules and controls over what their kids can do on the Internet; however we have far more pressing issues that our government has to focus on. More aid and solutions to reduce poverty here and abroad, fixing our healthcare system to ensure that every one is covered by some form of insurance, innovative environmental policies addressing everything from carbon emissions to alternative energy sources, fixing our education system so students in inner city and rural schools are receiving the same quality of education as those in the suburbs, ensuring equal rights for all citizens, etc. are far more important than what consenting adults watch in the privacy of their own homes. I know many Christians, myself included, who are broadening our care and concern to all these issues, so that gives me a lot of hope.
 
NY Daily News

Monday, February 11th 2008, 4:00 AM
An inconvenient feud

Democratic insiders agree that Al Gore is the ultimate prize among uncommitted superdelegates, and Clintonistas well understand a Barack Obama endorsement by Bill Clinton's veep would be a huge blow to Hillary.

They're hoping Gore will stay on the sidelines, but shudder over reports Obama has been courting Prince Albert for months.

They also believe that Gore must be sorely tempted to stick it to the Clintons, whom he blames in large part for his defeat in 2000.

"The level of animus between them is unbelievable," a well-placed Hillary partisan confided.

A prominent Democratic strategist with close ties to both camps echoes: "The Clintons and the Gores can't stand each other."
 
U2isthebest said:
I would definitely agree. I would hope we're moving past those 2 issues into those that are imperative right now. I'm actually quite disappointed that these young Christians are ranking Internet porn as their most important issue. Are you kidding me?:| It's not something I'm into, and I think many parents need to have much stricter rules and controls over what their kids can do on the Internet; however we have far more pressing issues that our government has to focus on.

I soooooo do not have time for FYM this semester but I will say that I interpret this as these people being so afraid of bowing to the temptation of internet porn themselves that they want the government to legislate it away.

Also, good luck u2democrat on the radio!

I miss you FYM but I need to graduate!
 
(AP)WASHINGTON — Democrat Barack Obama would narrowly defeat Republican John McCain if they were matched today in the presidential election, while McCain and Hillary Rodham Clinton are running about even, according to new general-election sentiment since the Super Tuesday contests.

Obama outpaces Clinton in a matchup against McCain among men, minorities and moderates in an Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Monday. And she does no better than Obama when pitted against McCain among two groups that have supported her in Democratic primaries so far: women and whites.

Recent primaries and Mitt Romney's departure from the Republican race have made McCain the heavy favorite to win the GOP presidential nomination. Clinton and Obama are locked in a Democratic battle that may take weeks or even months to resolve.

When she is paired against McCain in a general election matchup, she gets 46 percent to his 45 percent, a tie, according to the poll. Obama edges McCain, the Arizona senator, 48 percent to 42 percent in their pairing.

"We bring in voters who haven't given Democrats a chance" in the past, said Obama pollster Cornell Belcher, citing the Illinois senator's support from independents and other groups.

Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist, spoke of her backing from women and Hispanics and said, "Hillary Clinton has a coalition of voters well-suited to winning the general election."

One reason McCain holds his own against Clinton is his support from men, who prefer him to the New York senator by 9 percentage points. That compensates for her 11-point advantage among women.

Obama does better than Clinton with men when paired against McCain, splitting the male vote with the Arizona senator. Obama does especially well with men under 45: He defeats McCain by 9 points among younger men, while McCain defeats Clinton with those voters by 7 points.

Meanwhile, Obama's advantage over McCain among women is about the same as Clinton's, blunting her edge in a group that has been the core of her strength in her fight for the Democratic nomination. Women favor Obama over McCain by 12 points, and favor Clinton over McCain by 11.

Obama gets 74 percent of the votes of minorities when paired against McCain, 7 points more than Clinton. Echoing a pattern seen in most Democratic primaries so far, Obama does better than Clinton among blacks, while she attracts slightly more support from Hispanics.

Yet among whites, who have preferred Clinton to Obama in most Democratic contests this year, she has no advantage when each is paired against McCain. Both get 37 percent of whites' backing, trailing McCain substantially.

Obama slightly outdoes Clinton against McCain among moderates, a group that comprised almost half the voters in the 2004 general election and that both parties will contest fiercely in November's general elections. Obama gets 51 percent of their votes against McCain, compared with Clinton's 45 percent.

While Obama has done better than Clinton among independents in their fight for the Democratic nomination, that advantage does not show up when each is pitted against McCain. Each Democrat gets four in 10 independent votes to McCain's one-third with those voters, who will be a major target of both parties' campaigns this fall.

In a finding that underscores both McCain's cross-party appeal and the bitterness of the fight for the Democratic nomination, about one-third of Obama's supporters picked McCain when asked their preference in a Clinton-McCain general election matchup. Nearly three in 10 Clinton backers said they would vote for McCain over Obama.

In the fight for their party's nomination, Clinton has a 46 percent to 41 percent edge over Obama, the Illinois senator. That represents virtually no change from last month but a significant tightening since last year, when the New York senator led comfortably in most surveys.

The poll showed that Clinton's support from whites for the nomination grew faster than Obama's, leaving her with a 47 percent to 36 percent edge over him with those voters.

White women overwhelmingly favor Clinton while white men are split evenly between the two Democrats. And an age differential persists: Clinton wins older women overall, while Obama gets younger men.

In the Republican race, McCain is well ahead of former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, 44 percent to 30 percent. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, has 9 percent.

McCain has won more state GOP contests that Huckabee and is far ahead in the fight for delegates who will pick the Republican nominee. Even so, the poll illustrates that McCain will have to improve his standing within his own party if he is to count on solid GOP support in November.

McCain failed to win support from half of Republicans polled in the GOP race, showing he has yet to emerge as a clear-cut favorite among his party's rank-and-file. In addition, he was backed by only three in 10 white evangelical and born again Christians and just four in 10 conservatives _ pivotal parts of the GOP.

The survey was conducted from Feb. 7-10 and involved telephone interviews with 1,029 adults. It had an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Included were 520 Democrats, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 4.3 points, and 357 Republicans, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5.2 points.
 
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