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Old 10-30-2004, 08:58 PM   #16
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That nation will never be conquered or beaten.

They will destroy their enemies.

They will forever be the world's dominant superpower.

And there is nothing you can do about it.
That´s what Napoleon thought, too.

In other threads I have mentioned the similarity of American nationalism compared to France in times of the French revolution.

Here you go.

La Grande Nation.
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I think that that piece is over the top, but it makes certain peoples blood pressure go up, in any case I suspect that the US will be the dominant superpower for a long time to come.
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I think that that piece is over the top, but it makes certain peoples blood pressure go up, in any case I suspect that the US will be the dominant superpower for a long time to come.
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Take a gander at the SMH opinion pages from a few days back.

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damn.
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Old 10-30-2004, 09:29 PM   #21
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So as you might imagine, the general pissyness of some can get under ones skin (that cartoon is extreme, but they pop up once every fortnight or so).

The article itself was interesting, on the Scots-Irish in this election but the format which they present them panders to the trendy latte left and their entirely nuanced and sophisticated world view that America would be loved and respected if it acted like it did under Carter and that Bush voters are the standard ignorant and dirt-poor Americans one would find on Jerry Springer. And from that you get sinister neo-cons running the administration to protect Israel which is a genocidal power supported by the US and then it gets into some nasty "anti-Zionist" (remember its not anti-Semitism if you say its anti-Zionism) crap. Basically it can make you want to scream, but then there is the internet and that has given some very different views.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I am ashamed that bush is the one who represents me as a US citizen around the world.
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:09 AM   #23
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I am ashamed that bush is the one who represents me as a US citizen around the world.
Yep. And sadly that is what most people see. I just had a friend in Norway ask me tonight "Do you trust that your elections are going to be fair and honest?" (ummm...I told him to ask again on wednesday). And I've had several people I communicate with from other nations say (after several conversations usually) come out and say, "Well, you're not a complete jerk!"[I know that's shocking to some people here ], and when I asked them why they thought I would be, the response, invariably, is "well, your an American." Lovely reputation we have worldwide.

I think as a nation, we -- leaders and the general public alike -- have to begin to act like we are part of this world instead of the rulers of it. Our arrogance will be (already is?) our undoing.
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It is very sad. Anti-American feelings are almost at a all-time high. Some are deserved, some is stereotypical bullshit. As a non-citizen living in the States, I can say there are a lot of ignorant Americans, but there are more regular, hardworking good ones. These kind of things move in cycles.

Right now is bad because we have a government that waived off the UN and invaded a country without the permission of the whole world, especially Europe. People are always going to hate the US, France will always hate them...but when they took the lead in taking out Milosevic in the mid 90s, people weren't prostesting as much in Europe, they were basically cheering us on. There weren't anti-American sentiments when they risked thousands upon thousands of American lives to go into Europe, liberate basically the whole damn continent, and set up the Marshall Plan. Anti-Americans will always be there, it just seems to be at its strongest, but it will eventually simmer down, especially if Kerry gets elected. Not too impressed with him, but another 4 years of Bush?

I remember seeing a video clip of 4 UN soldiers in Africa cheering and dancing when the twin towers were brought down. That's disgusting.
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Re: This makes me sad.

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From the University of Exeter's student newspaper: http://exepose.ex.ac.uk/pages_2005/w...20features.pdf

I hate how fashioable it's become to be anti-American. It's one thing to not like the US government, but to make sweeping generalizations about people based on their nationality is disgusting.
I 100% agree my friends. To be honest, I HATE, I MEAN, I HATE U.S foreing policy, is so damn offensive, agressive, like a dictatorship, so anti-democratic, so opressive, etc, etc, etc. But that doesn´t mean ALL and EVERY U.S people is a thief, a killer, a facist, racist, greedy, liar, etc. I have met extraordinary people from United States all these years, and now I have a very good friends from that country
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America rocks baby!!!
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Old 10-31-2004, 02:38 PM   #27
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I think part of the problem is that we don't really pay attention to the world outside of the U.S. You have to remember that this country is the size of Europe. If you go from one European country to another, you have to adjust to a different culture, different language, and, before the euro, different currency. In the U.S., you can get on a plane in New York, get off on the other side of the continent in California and still have the same language, currency, culture [generally] and laws. I think the size of our country makes us feel that if we travel four hours to California or four hours to London, we should be treated the same.

I also think there are times when we as Americans don't adjust to our surroundings properly. I remember being in Rome, sitting at an outside cafe eating some of the best Italian food I have ever had, and the couple behind us was getting pissy because they asked for water and the waiter brought them a bottle of carbonated water, as if something was wrong with the waiter when, really, that is what you do there. Literally, when in Rome, do as the Romans.

And yes, I think Bush has alot to do with the resentment as well. Foreigners coming to this country are treated like criminals getting fingerprinted and photographed. After 9/11, we had every country supporting us. Now, the largest nations in our coalition of the willing are Ecuador and Poland -- but they are pulling out of Iraq.
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Old 10-31-2004, 04:58 PM   #28
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I am ashamed that bush is the one who represents me as a US citizen around the world.
Indeed. I was born in America, and lived there until I was 3. By just talking to friends, I've come to realise that people have a big problem with America, and more to the point, Americans. I find it really sad... America is a country with so much opportunity, and so much diversity at that. This one man seems to have hi-jacked the image of America in general, and distorted it terribly.
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Old 11-01-2004, 04:24 AM   #29
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I think this goes for most, if not all, sovereign countries in the world. We don't appreciate other country, regardless how big, meddles up and have more say, or worse of all judgement in our affairs. Of who should rules and who should not, what kind of economies is good or bad. which system is democratic which one is not. It's citizens' powers that should not be reserved. I wouldn't call it jealousy. Just fair.

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Amazing how no-one has mentioned that that article has two-sides to it. Does anyone realise that. Look at it. For and Against. True/False. It's not a 'fashionable' let's bash America feature. Believe me, that discussion has been going on for years and years.
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