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Old 10-31-2004, 01:27 AM   #16
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The God thing is the ultimate heresy in my opinion, whether you're a believer or not.

Don't ever confuse God's will with human actions. God doesn't decide elections, people do. It's not funny.

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Old 10-31-2004, 01:46 AM   #17
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God's will permits the greatest evil, for reference I invoke The Crusades, Jihad, The Inquisition and Sharia Law.

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I agree, God has certainly not kept people from committing horrible crimes and atrocities. He didn't stop the Crusaders from sacking Constantinople in 1204. A bunch of drunken holes decided to do it. He didn't stop Hitler from coming to power in Germany. And Sherry, you're no doubt right, God is awfully tired of all of this stuff.
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Old 10-31-2004, 05:31 AM   #19
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this is from Sojourner's God is Not a Republican or a Democrat campaign. Since I never post here, I can't post a link but you can find more info at

These leaders of the Religious Right mistakenly claim that God has taken a side in this election, and that Christians should only vote for George W. Bush.

We believe that claims of divine appointment for the President, uncritical affirmation of his policies, and assertions that all Christians must vote for his re-election constitute bad theology and dangerous religion.

We believe that sincere Christians and other people of faith can choose to vote for President Bush or Senator Kerry - for reasons deeply rooted in their faith.

We believe all candidates should be examined by measuring their policies against the complete range of Christian ethics and values.

We will measure the candidates by whether they enhance human life, human dignity, and human rights; whether they strengthen family life and protect children; whether they promote racial reconciliation and support gender equality; whether they serve peace and social justice; and whether they advance the common good rather than only individual, national, and special interests.

We are not single-issue voters.

We believe that poverty - caring for the poor and vulnerable - is a religious issue. Do the candidates' budget and tax policies reward the rich or show compassion for poor families? Do their foreign policies include fair trade and debt cancellation for the poorest countries? (Matthew 25:35-40, Isaiah 10:1-2)

We believe that the environment - caring for God's earth - is a religious issue. Do the candidates' policies protect the creation or serve corporate interests that damage it? (Genesis 2:15, Psalm 24:1)

We believe that war - and our call to be peacemakers - is a religious issue. Do the candidates' policies pursue "wars of choice" or respect international law and cooperation in responding to real global threats? (Matthew 5:9)

We believe that truth-telling is a religious issue. Do the candidates tell the truth in justifying war and in other foreign and domestic policies? (John 8:32)

We believe that human rights - respecting the image of God in every person - is a religious issue. How do the candidates propose to change the attitudes and policies that led to the abuse and torture of Iraqi prisoners? (Genesis 1:27)

We believe that our response to terrorism is a religious issue. Do the candidates adopt the dangerous language of righteous empire in the war on terrorism and confuse the roles of God, church, and nation? Do the candidates see evil only in our enemies but never in our own policies? (Matthew 6:33, Proverbs 8:12-13 )

We believe that a consistent ethic of human life is a religious issue. Do the candidates' positions on abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, weapons of mass destruction, HIV/AIDS-and other pandemics-and genocide around the world obey the biblical injunction to choose life? (Deuteronomy 30:19)

We also admonish both parties and candidates to avoid the exploitation of religion or our congregations for partisan political purposes.

By signing this statement, we call Christians and other people of faith to a more thoughtful involvement in this election, rather than claiming God's endorsement of any candidate.

This is the meaning of responsible Christian citizenship.
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Old 10-31-2004, 07:23 AM   #20
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God is tired of them all and CNN.
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Old 10-31-2004, 10:50 AM   #21
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Originally posted by A_Wanderer
God's will permits the greatest evil, for reference I invoke The Crusades, Jihad, The Inquisition and Sharia Law.
I will add to your list the holocaust,
slavery enshrined in governments and laws,
genocide of native peoples often times under color of religion.

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