the us wanted to play this game - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-14-2001, 03:11 AM   #16
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
kobayashi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: the ether
Posts: 5,142
Local Time: 08:09 AM
deathbear is right.
it is incredibly sad but the bear is right.
this issue has recieved little coverage from the mainstream us & global media, not just in the wake of this tragedy(we couldn't expect them to dedicate resources to this endeavor at the time of the tragedy)
but in 'peacetime', as I guess we could now call it, very little attention, if any, was given to this.
__________________

__________________
kobayashi is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 03:43 AM   #17
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: full of sound and fury
Posts: 3,386
Local Time: 01:09 AM
I've said all I wanted to say. Take care, friends.

foray
__________________

__________________
foray is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 03:56 AM   #18
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
U2Bama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine
Posts: 3,405
Local Time: 06:09 AM
I wish it were that simple. But it isn't.
__________________
U2Bama is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 03:59 AM   #19
War Child
 
Spiral_Staircase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Knoxville, TN, USA
Posts: 679
Local Time: 06:09 AM
deathbear, why would you find out who did this? You made it pretty clear that this attack was deserved ("america had it coming), so I assume you wouldn't be interested in punishing those responsible. Awards? What?
__________________
Spiral_Staircase is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 10:09 AM   #20
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 07:09 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by radiodivision:
I'm sorry U2Bama, but this has been shown to have been an outright lie; a massive PR campaign to gather support for a US attack on Iraq.
http://detnews.com/2001/entertainmen...d07-196693.htm
Well, they DID test chemical/biological warfare on their own people. I have photos from Newsweek to prove that.

__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 10:10 AM   #21
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 07:09 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by U2Bama:
I'm not even Australian, but I shudder to think what would have happened to Australia had we not responded to Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

Continue living in a peaceful utopia, OzAurora. You are lucky that your views are not an issue to the men and women of the Australian military that protects your own freedom and peace.
~U2Alabama
Amen, Bama!
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 10:46 AM   #22
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
U2Bama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine
Posts: 3,405
Local Time: 06:09 AM
radiodivision:

I commend you for having a source refuting nearly everything I ever post in these forums, but who am I to doubt the words of Kuwaiti hospital staff and British soldiers, or for that matter the 15-year old daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.? No where in the article does it PROVE that she lied!

And the fact remains that Iraq INVADED a SOVEREIGN NATION! Why? Among other things to provide more waterfront access to the oil-rich Persian Gulf.

I disagree with you on much of your defense of rogue nations.

~U2Alabama
__________________
U2Bama is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 12:16 PM   #23
The Fly
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Austin, TX USA
Posts: 54
Local Time: 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by U2Bama:
radiodivision:

I commend you for having a source refuting nearly everything I ever post in these forums, but who am I to doubt the words of Kuwaiti hospital staff and British soldiers, or for that matter the 15-year old daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.? No where in the article does it PROVE that she lied!

And the fact remains that Iraq INVADED a SOVEREIGN NATION! Why? Among other things to provide more waterfront access to the oil-rich Persian Gulf.

I disagree with you on much of your defense of rogue nations.

~U2Alabama
U2Bama,

There are several books that have talked about this which I would be more than happy to point out if you want to. I am NOT in any way defending any "rogue nations." I am just trying to point out some of the lies and deceptions which the PR industry (Hill & Knowlton in this case) in this country has spread to simply influence US action around the world. If you care about justice, truth, and human dignity (which I am sure you do), then you have to agree that we need to scrutinize every action and condemn those (on either side) which are outright unjust, untruthful and cruel. I do NOT support, approve of, or like the regimes that carry out such atrocities (e.g. Iraq, Lybia, Afghanistan) but I've read and seen enough to know not to take what's in the mainstream news as gospel. I don't deny that Iraq invaded Kuwait and that they carried out atrocities of their own but I always try to get the whole story, that's all.
__________________
radiodivision is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 12:18 PM   #24
The Fly
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Austin, TX USA
Posts: 54
Local Time: 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Well, they DID test chemical/biological warfare on their own people. I have photos from Newsweek to prove that.

I don't deny that and that should be rightfully condemned. Saddam Hussein IS and evil person, no doubt.

[This message has been edited by radiodivision (edited 09-14-2001).]
__________________
radiodivision is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 01:57 PM   #25
Refugee
 
Red Ships of Scalla-Festa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: your skull
Posts: 2,311
Local Time: 06:09 AM
yes bonoman i do live in canada, though not in ontario, just for your information.

and if you think canada doesnt have its hands in other places it shouldnt be, you might be right you might be wrong. i wouldnt know. however, i do know that everyone thinks of canada as being the little schoolboy who sucks up to its bigger brother, the us of a. perhaps that alone would trigger an attack on us, i wouldnt know. terrorists do not think rationally, obviously.

and radiodivision it is more than just underground propaganda what you heard about kuwait making that shit up to get american support. not that what we all learn in grade school is always accurate, but we DID learn that those stories were made up to get the americans on their side. it is common knowledge where i come from. whether or not were always fed the truth isnt the case really, but this is what ive been taught, and this makes sense to me. my eyes are open to see if something that condradicts this is more accurate than what ive learnt, i beleive i am open.

------------------
-deathbear
__________________
Red Ships of Scalla-Festa is offline  
Old 09-14-2001, 10:29 PM   #26
Acrobat
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Montréal, Québec
Posts: 317
Local Time: 12:09 PM
most people I've been talking to at my job think the same as deathbear... and I do stand by him...

the "US got too far" feeling is present world-wide and sept. II is the extreme of extreme demonstration.

cheers

------------------
La resignacion es un suicido permanente
__________________
Holy John is offline  
Old 09-15-2001, 12:02 AM   #27
The Fly
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: SouthWest U.S.A
Posts: 61
Local Time: 12:09 PM
Anthony, if you believe the U.S. is going to protect the world from lunatics you've overlooked the obvious. Thank you for making the U.S. the target for hatred and everything that goes wrong in the world because your country won't take on leadership by NOT taking over other countries like Ireland and India and all the others that offer monetary gain.

__________________
]{arao]{e is offline  
Old 09-15-2001, 12:45 AM   #28
Refugee
 
bonoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Edmonton, Canada- Charlestown, Ireland
Posts: 1,398
Local Time: 05:09 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by ]{arao]{e:
Thank you for making the U.S. the target for hatred and everything that goes wrong in the world because your country won't take on leadership by NOT taking over other countries like Ireland and India and all the others that offer monetary gain.

Are you saying the US should have taken over these Countries or am i mistaken?


------------------
Running to Stand Still-"you gotta cry without weeping, talk without speaking, scream without raising your voice."

"we're not burning out we're burning up...we're the loudest folk band in the world!"-Bono
__________________
bonoman is offline  
Old 09-15-2001, 07:38 PM   #29
Refugee
 
Anthony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,538
Local Time: 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by ]{arao]{e:
Anthony, if you believe the U.S. is going to protect the world from lunatics you've overlooked the obvious. Thank you for making the U.S. the target for hatred and everything that goes wrong in the world because your country won't take on leadership by NOT taking over other countries like Ireland and India and all the others that offer monetary gain.
Primarily, I'm sorry if I came across as simply saying that. I didnt mean to. All I meant was that if America retaliates, it will be doing the world a favour. And what did you mean by that final comment? I'm sorry, but your irony is lost on me. What point are you trying to make exactly? How did I make your country the target? Forgive me, but doesn't that attack demonstrate that it already IS the target? And what do you mean by MY country? Do me a favour, and leave my country out of it. Mainly because I don't have a country. I have a British passport but my father was Spanish, my mother Mexican and I was raised in the Middle EAst; I repeat, WHAT country? Was your comment a criticism on the formal British empire? Was it supposed to be funny? Well, it clearly wasn't because I'm not a British patriot, but what the current terrorism has anything to do with British colonies in India (not to mention Ireland... you just had to drag Ireland into it, didnt you? ) I don't know.

Please explain. I know your comment was an attack on something about me, but I'm not sure what....

Ant.
__________________
Anthony is offline  
Old 09-15-2001, 10:29 PM   #30
Acrobat
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 399
Local Time: 12:09 PM
I was wrong.

My apoligies to "deathbear" for my angry reply. I still believe your comments were a bit unsensitive and can bring further pain to people, like myself, that are already reeling from this horror. I stated my view in a very prideful, angry and Unchristian way. I am sorry.

I was also wrong about my view about going after Bin Laden.
That feeling comes from fear, frustration, and anger. I want, or should I say, "I wanted" blood.

Truth is, I have NO idea WHAT to think anymore. There just is NO easy and clear answer... All options seem to end up in "war, massive deaths, and the end of this world as we know it".

IF I am to live a life of Christianity. If I am to follow Jesus and what He taught us, then I am to love my enemy, and turn the other cheek. I am to follow His example, and the examples of Ghandi and MLK.

I don't want to do that, because then that means I am choosing humiliation and pain for my country; because then I am choosing that others have "control" over what my country goes through because then I am choosing to have faith that the Enemy IS in fact human, and does have a conscience, and is capable of kindness, mercy and love; because then I am choosing to trust God - Be it that everything comes out okay, or that this means the destruction of this country or the world.

It seems I am falling short on trusting God. It seems I am failing at being a Christian.

It sure doesn't feel good.
It sure brings me confusion and unrest.

I realize that I am just one, insignificant man when it comes to deciding what George W. Bush will do - do for us and do TO us - But, I'm the one that has to live with myself and my heart.

I'm NOT supposed to want action taken against Ben Ladin and Afganistan.

What I "want" is not matching what I "should want".

I dont know what to think anymore.
__________________

__________________
Trash Can is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com