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Old 12-22-2004, 08:00 PM   #271
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C'est la vie.

If you want to get the thread "back" to that, why not make a post in that direction, rather than continuing this argument?
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'That's how he was. He was good to everybody'

By Suzanne Smalley and Mac Daniel, Globe Staff | December 23, 2004

FREEDOM, Maine -- At the credit union that helped prepare his finances before he shipped out for Iraq, the 13 stuffed camels sent by Lynn Robert Poulin Sr. served as a constant reminder of the quiet and simple man serving abroad for the first time.

Yesterday, the camels also symbolized something else: the sacrifice and loss of a man who spent half his 47 years in the National Guard and who grew up in a log cabin deep in the woods in a tiny town west of Waterville and south of Unity.

''And even folks who come into the credit union and didn't know Lynn know where the camels came from," said Jennifer DeChant, a marketing specialist. ''We tell them."

Sergeant Poulin was one of two Maine guardsmen killed in an attack on a mess tent near Mosul on Tuesday. In July, the Five County Credit Union office on Washington Street in nearby Bath received a package from Mosul, containing the 13 camels with a short note from Poulin that read in part, ''Hope you enjoy these."

''That says Lynn right there," said Michael Keenan, president of Local S6, the machinists union for Bath Iron Works, where Poulin worked as a structural ship fitter for 17 years and where flags flew at half-staff yesterday. ''That's how he was. He was good to everybody around him."

He came home on leave in October and visited the credit union again, where employees waited in line to shake his hand.

''He was making his rounds in the lobby, and everyone was waving," DeChant recalled yesterday. ''I just remember what a happy individual he was, how obviously happy he was to be home, and how beaming his wife was to be with him."

The credit union soon reciprocated, sending Poulin's 133d Engineer Battalion 130 pounds of goodies, including books, footballs, toothpaste, and granola bars. They internally dubbed the effort ''Operation Camel Reply."

Poulin quickly wrote back: ''The toys and games were a big hit among the local children."

Until the moment a National Guard representative arrived at her job, Jeanne Poulin thought her husband of five years was safe.

''She literally melted," said Patty Taylor, director of human resources at Orion Ropeworks.

Taylor said Jeanne Poulin's colleagues gathered yesterday to have a moment of silence in Poulin's honor and to discuss how to raise money so that Poulin can afford to stay out of work beyond the normal three days of paid grievance leave.

Jeanne Poulin spent yesterday grieving inside the couple's trailer -- just across the road from the log cabin where his mother still lives -- with her mother-in-law, her sister, and other family members.

''She knew there had been strife, but didn't think it was him," said her sister, Barbara Worthley, who spoke to reporters on the family's behalf. ''You never want to think that. . . . She's in shock. She has lost her best friend."

A car in the driveway was adorned with bumper stickers, including one reading, ''Half of my heart is in Iraq," and a yellow ribbon that said ''Support our Troops." Yet another sticker -- this one red, white, and blue -- read, ''A6133, you're #1."

Worthley said Poulin was in regular contact with family and friends and called his wife daily, sometimes twice a day. He never talked about being afraid.

''He said, 'Don't worry about me, I'm out of harm's way,' " Worthley said. ''He never wanted to be the focus of anything."

He left behind two grown sons, Michael and Lynn Robert Jr. He also has two stepchildren, Worthley said.

Poulin attended Mount View High School in Thorndike, Maine, Worthley said. He liked to work on cars and went fishing, but otherwise had few hobbies, she said.

''He came from plain roots, but he was happy," Worthley said. ''It was a good life. . . . He was proud of his service in the guard."

Worthley said Poulin's death during the Christmas season is especially difficult because the family has a large gathering on Christmas Eve.

However, she said there is some comfort in that Poulin was proud to serve.

''He felt strongly that his country asked him to do something," Worthley said. ''That's all I can say about it."
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'It's hard to believe he's not coming home'

By Maria Sacchetti and Mac Daniel, Globe Staff | December 23, 2004

SOMERVILLE, Maine -- Until he left in January, Thomas John Dostie's world revolved around his tiny hometown, at the end of a narrow road 18 miles from the nearest supermarket.

He was raised on a street where everyone knew him, in a brown clapboard house with a view of Long Pond. He water-skied and fished for bass and pickerel in the summer. Friends said his father had a snowmobile waiting for Dostie's return home.

Yesterday, the outgoing family was cloistered in its home mourning the 20-year-old who joined the Army National Guard when he was in high school and was killed this week in Iraq. People streamed into the house with flowers, food, and tears in their eyes, stopping to hug one another on the icy street.

They remembered the wiry, brown-haired boy who loved to tinker with engines large and small and who welcomed the many foster children his parents took in. Some say that helped make Dostie who he was: kind, unselfish, and outgoing, trying to make strangers feel comfortable.

''He was just a good-hearted person," said his godfather, John Houllahan, 40, who was a foster child with the family when he was growing up and remains close. ''It's hard to believe he's not coming home."

Last night, about 100 friends and townspeople held a candlelight vigil at the local volunteer fire department, where Dostie's father is chief.

Dostie, known as Tom or Tommy, lived his whole life on Frye Road, with parents Mike and Peggy, both 50, and his older brother Tim, 22, who lives at home.

Tom Dostie and his brother were raised in the camaraderie on the narrow, piney road where neighbors helped each other to build seasonal camps into sturdy year-round homes on the pond. The boys played baseball in the road, gawked at the wild turkeys and occasional moose that traipsed across their yards, and played with Dostie's dog, Ginger.

Dostie attended St. Denis Church in Whitefield with his parents, both devout Catholics.

Dostie was a wrestler in high school at Erskine Academy, a nearby private school. He struggled with his grades sometimes, but graduated in 2002.

In his junior year, he joined the National Guard to gain experience as a diesel mechanic and possibly pay for trade school.

He did his basic training the summer before his senior year and his advanced training after graduation.

He worked for his father's lawn-mowing business until he was called up last year, two days before Thanksgiving.

Houllahan said Dostie wanted to blaze his own path. ''I think he was pretty proud when he joined the military," Houllahan said. ''He was really doing his own thing."

Dostie was proud of his service in Iraq and liked what he was learning, friends said, but the camp was a long way from home. He was ready to return.

Dostie was not initially assigned to the 133d Engineer Battalion but was transferred in because there were not enough diesel mechanics to go around, said family friend and neighbor Ron Cyr, 50, whose two sons were called to active duty in the Guard the same day as Dostie.

Ronnie Cyr, 27, the younger son, was at the same camp as Dostie but was in bed when the mess hall exploded Tuesday. Cyr jumped out of bed and raced to the blast site. Soldiers coming out told him that Dostie was in there.

Cyr called his father yesterday to let Dostie's parents know that a priest had given their son last rites.

''He's pretty shook up, pretty broken up," Ron Cyr said of his son, Ronnie. ''He was close to Tommy."

Charles Manchester, 60, principal of Somerville Elementary School, first learned of Dostie's death through the faces of the audience on Tuesday night at the school's Christmas program.

As the school's 43 students sang and performed skits, Manchester said, ''I noticed there were some sad faces and a couple of people were crying. Then I found out what happened, and I thought, 'Oh, my God.' "

Over punch, coffee, and cookies afterward, students, parents, and teachers went silent.
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I have a feeling that people are going to get really tired of this. People don't like it when bodies are coming home in caskets or whatever, no matter how they felt about the war.

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A roadside bomb attack northwest of Baghdad killed seven U.S. soldiers Thursday, military officials tell CNN.

The attack occurred at about 6 p.m. (10 a.m. EDT), an official said. The soldiers were said to be from the Army's Task Force Baghdad, but no other details were available.
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the latest estimates from watchdog blogs were 4100 dead - no matter I pray for all the families.
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I do not think that this is the thread for such questionable figures on the casualties.
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the latest estimates from watchdog blogs were 4100 dead - no matter I pray for all the families.
4100? That´s supposedly more than the number of people who died in the WTC.

Isn´t it amazing how a - kinda fictional - construction like a nation-state is allowed to send non-fictional constructions like people to war.

Yeah, the human race is a real mindfuck.
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Look, if we want to start commenting on that figure then can there be another thread, this isn't the place to discuss a number that infers a massive conspiracy with the global press and pentagon in on it as well as the families of the extra 3000 soldiers who according to these watchdog blogs are dead.
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This thread is to honor the troops who have died in Iraq. It is not for posting political opinions, conspiracy theory's, or anything that other members would find offensive, or to be politically inspired in any way. Anything that goes beyond the posts which, consistently honor the troops who have died without listing anything that is political or controversial, should go into another thread, not this one.
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Please start another thread to debate the correctness of casualty figures or alternative body counts. This thread is only to post reports on/factual stories about coalition troops killed in Iraq.

As if we ALL DIDN'T KNOW THIS BY NOW.

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This thread is to honor the troops who have died in Iraq.
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This thread is only to post reports on/factual stories about coalition troops killed in Iraq.
Those two quotes don´t really mean the same.. if I may.. I´ll rather go with the post of the moderator.

However, in remembrance and honor of the civilian victims, who shall not be forgotten - even if "this thread is exclusively reserved for coalition troops" [what a weird exclusivity, by the way] - you may take a look at http://www.iraqbodycount.net/names.htm
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You want to post one on Iraqi casualties then please start another thread.
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