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Old 06-21-2004, 05:12 PM   #211
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There was a picture w/ this on CNN.com.I would never post it, but it was upsetting to say the least. I guess there is video too

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Four U.S. Marines were killed Monday in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, a military official for the American-led coalition said.

U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said a quick reaction force found the Marines' bodies after they failed to report to their commanders at a predetermined time.

"After we've notified the families, I think we're going to be a little more forthcoming on what happened up there," Kimmitt said.

A Marine Corps official identified one of the dead as Staff Sgt. Marvin Best, 33, of Prosser, Washington. He was based at the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center in Twentynine Palms, California. The other three were from a different base and have not yet been identified.



A videotape delivered to Associated Press Television News showed four Marines in uniform lying dead in what appeared to be a walled compound in Ramadi, an insurgent stronghold 60 miles west of Baghdad. One of the Americans was slumped in the corner of a wall.

The bodies had no flak vests mandatory for U.S. troops in contested areas and at least one was missing a boot. One fieldpack was left open next to a body as if the attackers had looted the dead before fleeing.
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Old 06-29-2004, 08:16 AM   #212
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Report: U.S. Soldier Held Hostage Killed

The killing of Spc. Keith M. Maupin, 20, of Batavia, Ohio, was reported by Arab television, which aired a videotape showing a blindfolded man identified by his captors as Maupin sitting on the ground.

Al-Jazeera said that in the next scene, gunmen shoot the man in the back of the head, in front of a hole dug in the ground. The station did not broadcast the killing.

The U.S. military said it could not immediately confirm whether the man shown in the murky videotape was indeed Maupin. Maj. Willie Harris, spokesman for the Army's 88th Regional Readiness Command, said the videotape is being analyzed by the Defense Department

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Several U.S. Marines were killed and wounded when a roadside bomb exploded as their Humvee passed by in Baghdad on Tuesday morning, according to U.S. troops on the scene.

The improvised explosive device hit the lead vehicle in a Marine convoy, resulting in "a few wounded and killed in action," according to a U.S. soldier who was supervising the removal of the damaged Humvee.

A Marine who was there to guard the area also told reporters "some Marines" were killed in the attack.

The Humvee -- with flattened tires, a crumpled front end and blood splattered inside -- was hooked up to a military tow truck and hauled away Tuesday morning.
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Although Matt Maupin's death hasn't been officially confirmed, I think it's pretty a sure thing that he was the soldier in the videotape being shot.

Maupin is from my area and it has been so sad to see the ups and down his family and friends have been through in the 80+ days he's been held captive. I remember how very happy they were when he was sgown on videotape a few days after his convoy was attacked. They were so relieved just to know he was alive. I know I even felt a bit of elation then, because he still had a chance to get out of it alive. I think it was almost inevitable that he was killed, but it is still very sad.

You know I don't believe his life is inherently any more important than that of the rest of the war dead, but learning about him and his family makes his death seem all the more poignant. Perhaps if everyone realized that every person, on every side of every war has family, friends, well, just a life to lead, people who depend on that person, people who care about that person.... Ahhh...I'd like to think it would make the "powers that be" think even harder before getting into situations using force, but I just do not think that is going to happen.... I guess I'll just have to get used to it.
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Old 07-08-2004, 08:56 AM   #214
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents fired mortar rounds at a headquarters used by U.S. troops and Iraqi forces in the city of Samarra on Thursday, destroying the building and killing four U.S. soldiers, the U.S. military said.

An Iraqi guardsman was also killed and a fifth U.S. soldier was unaccounted for. Twenty other U.S. soldiers were wounded in the 10:30 a.m. attack, said Maj. Neal O'Brien, the spokesman for the 1st Infantry Division. U.S. troops secured the area around the collapsed building.
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Wow. I can't believe noone is reporting these kind of numbers. Such a waste of lives.

MITCHELL: How do you figure out the human "cost" of war?

Sometimes, it's brutally obvious when the wounded scramble out of a tank hit by a rocket-propelled grenade.

Two marines were injured in this attack. One lost his right eye.

The Pentagon keeps a close watch on the grim tally in Iraq and Afghanistan. The latest figures: 922 killed. 5,457 wounded in action. And the press reports those numbers.

But there's another figure neither the Pentagon nor the press are talking about the more than 11,000 soldiers coming home disabled, injured, sick who aren't on the Pentagon's casualty list because the military says they weren't injured in combat.
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Wow. I can't believe noone is reporting these kind of numbers. Such a waste of lives.

MITCHELL: How do you figure out the human "cost" of war?

Sometimes, it's brutally obvious when the wounded scramble out of a tank hit by a rocket-propelled grenade.

Two marines were injured in this attack. One lost his right eye.

The Pentagon keeps a close watch on the grim tally in Iraq and Afghanistan. The latest figures: 922 killed. 5,457 wounded in action. And the press reports those numbers.

But there's another figure neither the Pentagon nor the press are talking about the more than 11,000 soldiers coming home disabled, injured, sick who aren't on the Pentagon's casualty list because the military says they weren't injured in combat.
I have been told this thread has been reserved for simply respecting those that have lost their lives. It was not meant for political debate. If you want to argue about the numbers or whether this war or any war is justified, please start a new thread.
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You take me out of context. I was concerned about the number of wounded that was in the article.
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You take me out of context. I was concerned about the number of wounded that was in the article.
The article is a political and debatable one as were your comments such as "Wow. I can't believe noone is reporting these kind of numbers. Such a waste of lives."

It is my understanding that this is not appropriate for this thread which is why I won't respond to it in this thread.
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I'm sure we all agree that every single man of the 922 killed. 5,457 wounded in action and >11,000 disabled or wounded (not in action) are worth being mentioned in this thread.
I'm sure that Scarletwine wanted to show the respect to these people by mentioning all of them here.
So do i now, it's not important if you think this war is worth it or not, we all can show all the respect they deserve to these Men and Women.
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July 9 2004- 1, 000


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. soldier has died of wounds he suffered in fighting in Baghdad late Thursday, a U.S. military spokesman said.

The death brings coalition deaths -- both hostile and non-hostile -- since the start of the war to 1,000. U.S. military deaths now total 880, with 657 of them by hostile fire.

The soldier's name was withheld pending notification of next of kin, AP reported.
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I'm sure we all agree that every single man of the 922 killed. 5,457 wounded in action and >11,000 disabled or wounded (not in action) are worth being mentioned in this thread.
I'm sure that Scarletwine wanted to show the respect to these people by mentioning all of them here.
So do i now, it's not important if you think this war is worth it or not, we all can show all the respect they deserve to these Men and Women.
Klaus,

My point was that information including "certain numbers", "the article", and various comments made in the post were controversial, debatable, and political. This thread is suppost to be devoid of those things. By and large, most people have succeeded in keeping their post "non-political" and non-controversial and I think that is good and in keeping with the theme of the thread which is simply one to respect the soldiers, not to talk about the war, what one thinks of the war or bring in other controversial topics and things.
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Insurgents killed three U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi civilian in separate attacks, and a militant group threatening to kill its Filipino hostage extended until Tuesday its deadline for Manila to agree to withdraw peacekeepers early.

On Sunday afternoon, a roadside bomb exploded as U.S. patrol passed in Samarra, a hotbed of violence 60 miles north of Baghdad, killing two soldiers and wounding three others, the military said.

Earlier, a U.S. convoy was attacked in Beiji, 90 miles south of the northern city of Mosul. After a roadside bomb exploded, an enemy vehicle raced toward the convoy and fired at the soldiers, who shot back and killed the driver, the military said.

A soldier and a civilian traveling behind the patrol were killed. A second soldier was injured and evacuated. Thick black smoke enveloped the area from an oil tanker set ablaze in the attack.

The deaths came a day after four U.S. Marines were killed in a vehicle accident near Camp Fallujah in western Iraq. At least 875 service members have died since the military operations in Iraq began last year, according to the U.S. Defense Department.

Of those, at least 651 died as a result of hostile action.
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The death toll of U.S. forces in Iraq since the start of the war in rose to 900 early Wednesday, when a roadside bomb exploded north of Baghdad, killing one U.S. 1st Infantry Division soldier.

Maj. Neal O'Brien of the 1st Infantry Division said the most recent soldier killed was on patrol in a Bradley fighting vehicle in Duluiyah, 45 miles north of Baghdad, when the bomb detonated shortly after midnight Wednesday.

On Tuesday, the military said that two U.S. Marines and two U.S. soldiers were killed in action in Anbar Province, a Sunni-dominated area west of Baghdad. The Marines were killed in separate incidents while conducting "security operations;" one soldier was killed Monday, and a second died Monday of wounds.

A count by The Associated Press put the number of American soldiers killed since the war began at 900. Counts of the number of U.S. service members killed in Iraq vary, with some already exceeding the 900 figure.

The Pentagon's latest casualty update, released Tuesday, put the death toll at 893 service members, plus two civilian Defense Department employees. There have been five military personnel reported killed since the last Pentagon update.
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The current death toll do to Hostile Fire is 669, for US forces.
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I'm not sure the distinction is significant, but all right.
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