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Old 02-28-2004, 09:20 PM   #166
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I saw some people on the news leaving a theatre after the movie and they were all crying.
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Old 02-28-2004, 09:58 PM   #167
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I saw the movie with my english teacher and a bunch of my classmates and I think every single person in the theatre was crying. I did not expect to cry until my head hurt. In my opinion this was an excellent movie that made me realize what Jesus did for us. The violent scenes did not gross me out and I am not one to sit through most violent movies. I think the movie had to be graphic to show the point.
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I saw the movie with my english teacher and a bunch of my classmates and I think every single person in the theatre was crying. I did not expect to cry until my head hurt. In my opinion this was an excellent movie that made me realize what Jesus did for us. The violent scenes did not gross me out and I am not one to sit through most violent movies. I think the movie had to be graphic to show the point.
Exactly.
That is exactly what I think.
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Old 02-29-2004, 01:28 AM   #169
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Well I've seen it and here's my take.
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This is a brutal, brutal movie. Do not see this movie if you are at all weak of stomach or have issues with violence. And for God's sake (I mean that quite literally) DO NOT allow children to see this. That said I'd say about 80% of the violence served a purpose. Scourging and crucifixion are not nice things and it is a sobering dose of reality. But it realy did go too far at several points. This movie is an ordeal to sit through, the weakness and exhaustion from it have just finally left me.

However this movie is in my personal opinion not anti-Semetic in the least. There are numerous sympathetic Jewish characters, and the crowds are clearly being incited to violence. As positive Jewish figures you have Simon of Cyrene (the man who helps Jesus carry the cross), the weeping tormented people who look on along with the mockers, a pretty even split, probably more weighted on the mourners on the walk to the crucifixion. And of coursde there is Mary, Mary Magdalane, and John. The Roman soldiers are with few exception vicious and almost bestial even shaming their officers and sickening many. No concerns about any rational person walking away from this film blaming the Jews.

Accuracy. A fair bit is added to the account in the gospels, much of it beneficial to the story but a lot of it can be guessed at coming from that 19th Century nun. The personification of Satan was largely effective though certain points annoyed me (there's one point right after Jesus death which was gratuitous and I really wished wasn't there). Basically used to make subtle points blindingly clear. The most glaring inaccuracy was teh trial before the Sanheidrin (the council of priests). In the gospels it is a private affair at the High Priest Ciaphas' house, in the Passion it's a public spectacle. Pilate is handled well and while a tad bit too sympathetic, he is presented as man in a no win situation (whatever he does people will be pissed and he can't afford another rebillion which will make the emperor will be very unhappy - true to histopry that one, Pilate was reprimanded for all the trouble in Judea -and his excessive brutality - and eventually removed) as he should be. Judas gets taunted and harassed by demonic children... disturbing and uneccessary. But overall not too bad.

In the end a compelling if somewhat flawed creation. You cannot help but be moved if only for the tragedy. Mary is truly heartbreaking as a mother losing her son and there are many very moving moments (the one involving the thief who accepts Jesus while being crucified was particularly powerful for me, but the moment was tainted by having the scornful thief immediately after have his eye torn out by a crow - not something I was please with). There are just enough flash back moments of Jesus with his disciples his mother, and some key areas of teaching (love one another, love your enemies basically the big stuff) - I would have preferred more of this to give it more meaning and to be more accessible to non-belivers (the flash-back to the adultrous woman Jesus spares - you know the whole "ye who are without sin cast the first stone" thing - would mean nothing to anyone not familiar with that story and it's details as only a little bit is shown which explains little). But again overall very compelling and powerful. A film more for insiders, and those who know the gospels somewhat rather than people who know nothing. Again I'd have cut about 20% of the gore and some of the added on material, in favour of showing more of Jesus teaching. Good but flawed. I found it useful for me to see, but not for everyone. Very compelling. You'll cry buckets unless you're a robot. Draining but rewarding.
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Old 02-29-2004, 01:50 AM   #170
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Mel Gibson made a cameo in the film, or rather his hand did. His hand was one of the ones that nailed Jesus' hand to the cross.

His left hand--left is "sinestra" (sinister) in Latin. Nice touch!
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a good one , it deserves an oscar , however , my heart was beating too fast during the movie , and i never saw such a mixed crowd in cinema , full pack , all colors , Mel , this is a historic great epic ( the greatest , since Caligula ) .
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the flash-back to the adultrous woman Jesus spares - you know the whole "ye who are without sin cast the first stone" thing - would mean nothing to anyone not familiar with that story and it's details as only a little bit is shown which explains little
Does anyone know the significance of Jesus writing in the dirt here? I believe he draw a line and then an S?
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Old 02-29-2004, 02:49 PM   #173
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Does anyone know the significance of Jesus writing in the dirt here? I believe he draw a line and then an S?


Don't you mean John Cadisel or what ever his name is?

Or why Mel Gibson had the actor do this?


From news reports and things I have read
some people seem to think the entered a time warp and witnessed the actually event

instead of Gibson's warped interpretation.
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I don't understand how someone can even remain conscious for that long...
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Old 02-29-2004, 03:35 PM   #175
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Mel Gibson does,

remember what he endured in Braveheart, and Madmax



But, of course this Passion is "just" his interpretation.
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Old 02-29-2004, 05:36 PM   #176
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Does anyone know the significance of Jesus writing in the dirt here? I believe he draw a line and then an S?
I am working on it....there is something about this question that kind of tripped something in my mind. I cannot remember right now what that was....
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Old 02-29-2004, 05:37 PM   #177
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I vaguely remember hearing during a sermon on this passage that there was a theory that he was writing down the names of people there and the sins they committed. I am not sure though....it is coming back to me slowly.
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There is another version of that story. It starts the same way. The scribes and Pharisees bring the woman before Jesus, quote the law to him, and ask him what he has to say about it.
He writes with his finger in the sand, and then says, "Let the one without sin cast the first stone." At that moment a stone comes flying out of the crowd, hits the woman right in the forehead, and kills her instantly.

Jesus turns and says, "Oh Mother, I was just trying to make a point."
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Does anyone know the significance of Jesus writing in the dirt here? I believe he draw a line and then an S?
Scripture does not say what he was writing. The emphasis seemed to be Jesus' full comprehension of the situation without looking up.
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instead of Gibson's warped interpretation.
Does the movie offend your understanding of Scripture?
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