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Old 02-26-2004, 11:05 PM   #151
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This discussion has been quite interesting. I haven't seen the film and don't plan on it, and I certaintly don't feel any less of a Christian for not wanting to. I really don't understand why some Christians are putting such a pressure on others to see it, and trying to make them feel guilty if they don't or if they don't have a high opinion of it. Personally, I don't believe it's necessary to witness the crucifixion in gory detail to really appreciate Christ's sacrifice. As Christ said to Thomas, "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29
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Old 02-26-2004, 11:21 PM   #152
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I think the idea that someone would voluntarily die on our behalf is really beyond our full comprehension. The graphic depiction may close that gap.
I'm afraid I must disagree. What Christ did for us, the atonement, went beyond dying on a cross. It also involved bleeding from every pore, and feeling the weight, all the emotional pain, of the sins of all the people that have ever lived on this earth and ever will. I think that's beyond comprehension and the graphic details in this film may make his dying on the cross a bit more real, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it would close the gap.
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I refuse to feel guilty for not seeing this movie. Countless people who never witnessed the crucifixion themselves or saw a graphic depiction of it believed in their faith so strongly that they were willing to die for it.
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I really think it's silly to put pressure on Christians to see this or any other movie. It's not as important as Scripture study or prayer, and to a Catholic it sure as heck isn't as important as getting the Sacraments. It's OK if you really want to see this movie and get something out of it but it's shocking and upsetting to some people. Some of these people are writing reviews. I don't see the necessity in this. Aren't we taking show business *way* too seriously here?
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I'm afraid I must disagree. What Christ did for us, the atonement, went beyond dying on a cross. It also involved bleeding from every pore, and feeling the weight, all the emotional pain, of the sins of all the people that have ever lived on this earth and ever will. I think that's beyond comprehension and the graphic details in this film may make his dying on the cross a bit more real, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it would close the gap.
Agreed. We will never fully comprehend this - we can only start to close the gap. It's like the Trinity. The person who fully understands the Trinity would be the fourth member.
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Did anyone see him on Leno last night? I missed it. I have read articles that accuse him of orchestrating/exagerrating the whole "campaign" against the movie for publicity reasons. Who knows Conspiracy theories abound..and wasn't he in a movie w/ that title?

Friday, February 27, 2004

Mel Gibson with Jay Leno on Thursday's "Tonight" show.

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Mel Gibson said Thursday that his film "The Passion of the Christ" was unfairly prejudged for a year before its release -- but he forgives his critics.

Gibson told Jay Leno on NBC's "The Tonight Show" that he would try to adopt a loving attitude "even for those who persecute you."

"For a year, it's been nothing but nasty editorials and name-calling," he said.

The movie, which grossed $23.6 million on its opening day Wednesday, is based on Gospel accounts of the last hours of the life of Jesus. Some have praised Gibson's commitment to his subject while others have called the movie excessively bloody, obsessed with cruelty and unfair in its portrayal of Jews.

Gibson acknowledged the movie is violent and said it was R-rated for a reason.

"The Bible is R-rated. I mean, look at that book. ... That's a hot book," he joked.

But he noted that many other films were violent, mentioning "Kill Bill: Vol 1," the Quentin Tarantino martial arts bloodbath.

"Why am I being picked on for this? There's far more violent movies," he said.

Gibson alleged that a copy of the script was obtained "nefariously" before the film was completed, leading to "all these accusations of anti-Semitism," which he denied.

"That's not what the film's about," he said. "It's about tolerance."

Gibson said he never considered changing the script because of protests.

"I don't know any director, any artist who would bow to this kind of pressure. It's un-American," he said.

In his opening monologue, Leno joked that the movie, which cost Gibson $30 million to make, was doing so well that "there's now talk of turning it into a book."
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"The Bible is R-rated. I mean, look at that book. ... That's a hot book," he joked.

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He does have a point.

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Here's a link for one of those "conspiracy theory" type columns. I just thought it was an interesting viewpoint, which of course could also be dismissed as paranoia

I haven't seen Kill Bill, but is there anyone here who has seen both and can compare the level of violence?

I also think those things Mel said about Frank Rich were in very poor taste to say the least..I guess he was just "joking" of course, but he scares me sometimes..that "leave it alone Diane" was menacing

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/liv...movie_profits/
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I haven't seen Kill Bill, but is there anyone here who has seen both and can compare the level of violence?
Kill Bill was violent but in a very kung fu japanese anime way. Does that make sence. It wasn't done in a very realistic fashion I guess is what I am saying. But Kill Bill also wasn't marketed throughout the nation by Churches who on every other Sunday would put down a film that was this violent if it wasn't about Jesus.
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Thanks, that's what I thought re Kill Bill

Just as an aside, the only movie I've ever heard discussed at my church is LOTR..my Pastor just related it somehow to an issue he was discussing (and talked about how thrilled he was to get the senior discount ) I'm ashamed to say I don't remember how he included that, but he definitely had no comment on the violence in it. So for what little it is worth, just at my church, I can't recall violence in movies ever being discussed.

I don't go to an Evangelical church though, if that's what you were alluding to. I wouldn't know how much they talk about it there.
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Thanks, that's what I thought re Kill Bill

Just as an aside, the only movie I've ever heard discussed at my church is LOTR..my Pastor just related it somehow to an issue he was discussing (and talked about how thrilled he was to get the senior discount ) I'm ashamed to say I don't remember how he included that, but he definitely had no comment on the violence in it. So for what little it is worth, just at my church, I can't recall violence in movies ever being discussed.

I don't go to an Evangelical church though, if that's what you were alluding to. I wouldn't know how much they talk about it there.
No, I was just talking about churches in general, I know not all of them do. But every church that I've been a part of, and I've been part of many denominations, have campaigned against certain films not so much during services unless it's a really controversial film, but on the community level sorta speak. Sunday school classes would encourage you not to see certain popular films, etc.
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Mrs Springsteen he scares me too along with his father!!!!!I don;t understand why he doesn;t come out and say what my father thinks about the Holacaust is WRONG?Until he does I really don;t care what else he has to say!!!!!!!
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He does have a point.
Oh, definitely. That's one thing I've always found rather odd about some of the religious people who complain about violence in films and stuff...is not their own book they follow a rather violent one?

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I just read some of these posts and I have to voice my view, I saw "The Passion" and cried my eyes out. I'm not religious, like to think of myself as a woman of science instead of spirit. Even though I liked this movie, this didn't revive my Catholic faith, it was just a movie, with one man's view on a story that is still yet to be proved as fact. I think many christian groups in the states, if not anywhere else, are going to try to use this film to maybe recruit others to the faith. I like to remember that this is a global community and christianity is not the only way.
But what the hell do I know?
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OOh I went to see The Passion yesterday and after it was over there wasn't a dry eye in the theater. I cried so much my head was hurting. It was extraordinary portrayal of the last hours of Jesus' life. I don't think it was too violent...because it has to be to really impact people and show them the truth.

Mel Gibson made a cameo in the film, or rather his hand did. His hand was one of the ones that nailed Jesus' hand to the cross.
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