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Old 07-29-2002, 09:38 PM   #16
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I appreciate your support BAW and Khanada.. and I guess diamond..
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Old 07-29-2002, 09:38 PM   #17
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I dont need you becoming a Martyr..
martyr...as in dying for the conservative cause? that's bullshit and you know it. you need to stop putting so much stock in having biases against or for people depending on their political affiliation. it's pointless and only ends up with a big fight. so be the big group and stop it first. ok?

as for what happened...reconcile and move on.

your own behavior is not caused by the mods, so move on.
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Old 07-29-2002, 09:44 PM   #18
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I cannot find the thread because my "search" feature sin't working...

The coward bit took place in a thread titled Prior Knowledge of September 11 which I believe was started by Koby

Also, like I stated before I do not tattle- tell on other members I perfer to deal with the person or individual who has the complaint or post I have issue with.

And since my search feature is mucked up, I could go thread to thread and report posts to moderator if you wish for proof of bad behavior from Kingpin and Like Someone to Blame

I would not ever want to be a moderator myself, for the reasons Khandar pointed out.

My point was if there is a conflict of intrest, as I believe there is (and not with Sicy but the others) how can one moderate?

And if you choose to close down FYM, I really wouldn't loose any sleep.

Again look at the daily thread titles and thread topics. I ask you to read any and all threads dealing with President Bush, America, 911, or politics peroid.

I will be reporting posts to you as I come across them starting now.

My reaction was unfortunate but a result of constantly being subjected to this trash from Kingpin and others. I am sure it all went according to his plan though, almost.
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Old 07-29-2002, 09:47 PM   #19
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No see diamond has to chime in with his 'I agree with you brother___ blah' and 'Right on blah blah ___'. And stick his dry humor in where it doesnt belong or when crap has nothing to do with him at all.

He wont stop. For some reason he thinks he's funny.
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Old 07-29-2002, 09:50 PM   #20
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I will be reporting posts to you as I come across them starting now.
I encourage people to do this IF matters cannot be resolved between the parties via PM or if words from the moderators cannot resolve the situation. It's not necessarily 'tattling' ok.. that's what Elvis and I are here for unfortunatly.
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Old 07-29-2002, 10:05 PM   #21
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Sicy and Lilly-
I have friends from all polictical persuassions.

Ask ppl like Someone To Blame, Dr Who, Melon and ZEdge.:idea:
I do consider this thread a serious matter.

I know when to joke and when not to...

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Old 07-30-2002, 02:51 AM   #22
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While we have the moderators' attention, I would like to bring up what I said in an earlier thread, concerning "Like Some to Blame," a/k/a Rob.

(This may be more appropriate for a private message, but that route has already been tried, and I have been waiting for a response for thirteen days.)

Rob started this whole thing by saying that Republicans are more "nasty and hypocritical." I replied with the following:

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Am I the ONLY forum member who recalls Democrats accusing Republicans of WANTING to starve kids, kill the elder, and destroy the environment? Anybody remember why? Because the recently elected GOP-led Congress (c. 1995) wanted to decrease spending increases from THREE TIMES the rate of inflation to only TWICE the rate.

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But WE conservatives are the nasty ones?

RIIIIGHT.
Rob's reply?

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Geez, now that you mention it...I do indeed remember Republicans WANTING to starve kids, kill the elderly, and destroy the environment. Well, practice does make perfect...so eventually they might accomplish this. So much for compassionate conservatism...
In another reply, he added, "many examples exist of Republican efforts to destroy the environment, starve kids, and hurt the elderly."

It certainly appears that Rob was legitimately suggesting that Republicans DESIRE to cause the deaths of elderly, the starvation of children, and environmental ruination. Besides the non-evidence of ANWR, he has not backed up his offensive accusation; he has in fact refused to answer my request for proof:

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Let me tell ya something. I make arguments and rebuttals here on MY TIME, not yours. Deal with it.
Further, he has not retracted the accusation as gross exaggeration or as unsuccessful sarcasm.

KingPin has often suggested that Rob was being sarcastic, and Rob did little more than say, "Kingpin said it perfectly. I have nothing further to add." (If he was being sarcastic, why? Democrats DID accuse Republicans of those very acts, as I documented in detail.)

He himself never did admit to being sarcastic or sincere, despite my many attempts to get a straight answer to the simple question, "were you being sarcastic?"

But what he DID do was suggest that the Bush Administration either planned or allowed 9/11 for the sake of oil interests - another grossly offensive accusation that makes me believe that he does sincerely believe Republicans WANT to kill the old, starve the young, and destroy the planet.

I reiterate what I said nearly two weeks ago:

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In the end, I ask only two things. First, I ask that everyone would consider how offensive Rob's accusation really is and refrain from such an accusation unless there is an avanlanche of evidence to suggest otherwise. Second, I ask the moderators to consider equating such an accusation to the use of the "Nazi" epithet - a word that Elvis has already criticized in detail.

If that is not going to happen, I would appreciate the moderators telling us as quickly as possible, so that we conservative Republicans can reconsider whether the discussions in this forum are worth the cost of subjecting ourselves to this openly hostile environment.
I believe Rob's comments - first that Republicans want to kill the elderly, then suggesting that Bush allowed 9/11 for "big oil" - are as offensive as the "Nazi" epithet itself.

I believe they SHOULD NOT be made in jest.

I believe that, if they are going to be made sincerely, they should be backed up with something resembling evidence - that those making the accusation should be made to "put up or shut up."


I am wondering - I have been wondering - what the moderators believe.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that some other liberal on this forum genuiney accuses Republicans of WANTING to kill/harm the elderly, starve children, and destroy the environment (or something equally heinous) - and does so with no substantial proof.

How would the moderators respond?

I ask because I am weary of these accusations going unnoticed and unchecked. I don't believe that the conservatives and Republicans in this forum should be subject to constant comparisons to Adolph Hitler and Nazism (or "Nationalist Socialism", as one clever forum member phrased it).

We don't make similarly offensive accusations - I can only imagine the backlash if we did - and I believe z edge is right in suggesting that the only thing that happens is WE are made to look bad when we defend ourselves against these idiotic suggestions.

(The accusations ARE idiotic.)

There are members on this forum getting away with calling us evil. We should not be asked to tolerate this, and I personally will NOT tolerate this.

If this situation does not improve, I will leave.
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Old 07-30-2002, 02:57 AM   #23
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If we banned everyone that was nasty in this forum there would be like 5 people left to post here.

The appropriate parties will receive thier warnings.
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Old 07-30-2002, 03:02 AM   #24
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Hey Bubba, do this by PM please. This looks like you trying to nail somebody to the wall in public.
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Old 07-30-2002, 03:03 AM   #25
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Damn, i need to much time foor a reply, sorry.
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Old 07-30-2002, 03:31 AM   #26
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Rono, I DID try the PM route two weeks ago, as I said in the thread above.

Sicy,

I personally am not asking for people to be banned - just that seriously offensive accusations be made carefully, not sarcastically, and not without evidence. In the case of the accusations made by "Like Someone to Blame," I would expect the mods to at least say something like this:

That's a pretty serious accusation. Are you sure you mean that?

That might even be enough to dissuade forum members from making such egregious claims.

Instead, the moderators have closed threads without explaining who is in the wrong. And - despite several requests, both public AND private - the moderators have remained dead silent about Rob's comments.

I ask again, how would the moderators react to another accusation that conservatives or Republicans want to harm the elderly, destory the environment, or do something else along those lines?
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I'm happy with the way things are. My main concern is that topics are posted to the correct forum, so I'd be perfectly happy if the mods only took care of that. If someone posts something I find to be offensive, I'll tell them. I also have a finely tuned bullshit filter, so if a thread turns too moronic, I'll stop reading it, and there are certain individuals whose posts I don't even read. And if things get really stupid, I'll leave for a while. I'm mellow.
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Old 07-30-2002, 03:40 AM   #28
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If this is a rule, that alters shouldn't be used to voice opinions that people aren't willing to voice as their real handle here, shouldn't that be everywhere in the forum?
There are people elsewhere who have used this trick many times.
Personally, I think it should be addressed in all parts of feedback.
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Old 07-30-2002, 05:10 AM   #29
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This would have never happened if you had done your job
in the past I did ask people to tone down their posts
+ I closed a few threads when I thought those threads were only started to annoy other forum members

z edge, in this forum you have called me "anti-Bush" and "anti-US"
I already mentioned back then that I didn't like that at all because A) I don't think it's true and B) since most people at this forum are from the US it makes my position as a mod very difficult when people think I am biased (I already know you think I'm biased - you even mentioned in this thread you felt mods are biased)

so my situtaion now is this:
if I post my opinion or try to do my job as a mod (because I feel a line is crossed) in certain threads where you and I don't agree I am made out to completely biased in my actions
if I keep my mouth shut I can't possibly do my job as a mod in threads where you and I both agree that people cross a line
then I truly would be biased


but since it has been established I am "anti-Bush", "anti-US" and that I don't do my job as a mod I don't doubt for a minute that you don't care
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and a pragmatist! well said.
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