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Old 07-13-2006, 09:47 AM   #16
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I don't think that it suggests that but rather that an otherworldly drug experience could inspire some people to subsequently seek love, joy and oneness through meaningful interaction with the people in their lives. That sound like a pretty good thing.


agreed.

and people have been using drugs since ... forever. they have always been a part of religious/mystical ceremonies in all cultures.

i also wonder if it isn't reality itself that pushes us away from love, joy, and peace.
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I don't advocate going out and trying drugs to see if you can have some kind of spiritual experience. But what is most interesting to me about this is that most religions promote embracing all the things they say are good, while relinguishing all the things they say are bad, when in fact many of those "bad" things can bring people to profound life-changing experiences. This is one of my biggest beefs with religions, the whole embrace good, avoid evil, business (good and evil as defined by them), instead of embracing all of life's experiences and recognizing that they all have value. They also all have consequences, good and bad, but that is how we learn and if, say, a troubled person who is drawn to drugs is going to do them anyway, and they have what they feel is a spiritual experience which puts their life on a better course, then to have advised them against doing drugs and telling them that that is bad and evil and wrong, may not have served them as well as actually doing the drugs and having the experience.
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I haven't touched a shroom in about 7 years. However, I can completely understand how these people had a "top 5 event in their lives" or felt more connected to the world around them. On the flip side, I can also see how some people hated it.

Different strokes for different folks. Interesting study nonetheless.
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instead of embracing all of life's experiences and recognizing that they all have value.
"All" of life's experiences? Slicing throats of bums? Smashing babies heads against a brick wall? I seriously doubt you mean this, I am just pointing out where this line of thinking leads.

It is difficult to understand what these actual mushroom "experiences" really mean. It seems they could certainly lead into "brainwashing" territory. (Ever see Jacob's Ladder?)
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"All" of life's experiences? Slicing throats of bums? Smashing babies heads against a brick wall? I seriously doubt you mean this, I am just pointing out where this line of thinking leads.

Boy, you took that one of context. Look at everything else she said...
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Thanks, BVS.

Aeon, do I really have to elaborate further or can the essence of what I was saying be gleaned without nitpicking over obvious points? I could actually argue the "value" of smashing a baby's head against a brick wall in terms of karma, reincarnation and the evolution of soul but that is not what I'm talking about here and I'm not going there.
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Old 07-13-2006, 02:23 PM   #23
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It is difficult to understand what these actual mushroom "experiences" really mean. It seems they could certainly lead into "brainwashing" territory. (Ever see Jacob's Ladder?)
You do know there are people who wonder what various people's religious "experiences" really mean too, don't you? Are religious "experiences" any more real than drug induced ones?

And at least some religions sure seem to brainwash their victims...errr...I mean adherents.
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Where would Rock n Roll be without hallucinogenic drugs?

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It's a good thing that there's no drug or alcohol testing for the Nobel in literature... the world would truly be a much duller place.
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for me, it all comes down to this: drugs are not spirituality, but they can help us achieve insights into spiritual enlightenment and the, hopefully, inspire us strive for genuine insight without them.

what i don't understand are the paranoid DRUGS ARE ALWAYS EVIL mentality, and i say this as someone who hasn't tried the drug in question in this thread, nor anything stronger than that.

yes, the fuck people up. no, they are not for everybody. yes, some drugs (pot, maybe) are better than others (meth, certainly). and it is a slippery slope. but i think we'd do better to understand how drugs work and what they give to people. is it possible that we can have a nuanced understanding of some kinds of drugs? is it possible that artificially altering our present realitites let us know just how much of "reality" is filtered through very human bodily senses, that just maybe we are more than flesh and that we are also spirit, or maybe we are all spirit and we are not bodies, we are our mind and perhaps we are thoughts in God's mind and that has never, ever changed and that these moments of chemically induced clarity might force us to realize that anytime that you look through the body's eyes you are seeing illusions? might this reveal to this passionate agnostic that we are indeed more than flesh and that somethings simply can't be explained by biology and chemistry? it is possible that something positive might have come out of recreational drug use?

you know, beyond "Dark Side of the Moon."

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Uuuh, 'Dark Side of the Moon'. I love that one.

The problem with recreational drug use (apart from the obvious addiction and physiological damage aspects) is that they affect people very differently. I for one can get a great, though involuntary, trip out of ibuprofen - colours, sensing people's auras, floation on clouds and so on.
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that just maybe we are more than flesh and that we are also spirit, or maybe we are all spirit and we are not bodies, we are our mind and perhaps we are thoughts in God's mind and that has never, ever changed and that these moments of chemically induced clarity might force us to realize that anytime that you look through the body's eyes you are seeing illusions?
If you hadn't said you'd never done shrooms I'd say you were trippin' right now.

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If you hadn't said you'd never done shrooms I'd say you were trippin' right now.




i once fancied myself as something of a mystic-to-be -- it was one of the things i liked about U2, and Bono in particular, was their semi-mystic and totally groovey take on Christianity, and the idea of God (to set aside Jesus) was empowering and equalizing and made is totally insignficant yet incomprehensibly precious all in the same breath and how the rock show itself is a means of letting go and allowing us to have a collective trip -- as it were ... and when i go there, i go there with you -- into the collective soul.

but reality seems much harsher these days, the understanding of the spirit seems too easily explained by science and physics and biology and chemistry, and if we take the simplest explanation possible -- that there is no god and we are simply highly evolved animals -- then it all makes much more sense than the hocus-pocus you-better-be-good-for-goodness-sake of *all* religions.

so that's where i'm at.

maybe i should shroom? do you think i'd see Jesus? or Allah? or Vishnu?

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Somehow I think if you take a psychadelic drug expecting a mystical experience, it likely won't happen. Just as it doesn't happen at a U2 show if you are expecting it, know what I mean? It may be highly spiritual, produce a nice (natural) high or whatever...but doesn't necessarily reach that *place* that indescribably unlocks a timeless stream of consciousness (which probably unexpectedly happened to many of us at our first U2 show lol)...take me to that other place....

I don't think the risks associated with LSD or mushrooms make that road of spiritual exploration very attractive but people like shortcuts and paths of least resistence and chewing shrooms is more accessible than climbing mountains in Tibet.
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