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Old 02-20-2008, 06:25 PM   #181
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Given the levels of Obama Evangelism that leak across to the other side of the globe it seems so.
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:25 PM   #182
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[Q]Jesus told me to endorse Obama
February 9, 2008 - 2:20am
By PHIL HOSKINS

Bear with me. I am not a Christian, big “C” but I was “born again” when at fourteen years of age I read what Jesus is reported to have said to the people he encountered. I found in Jesus the personification of a set of values that seem to me to be essential to being a worthwhile human being. When I listen to those values, when I feel the deepest message of Jesus, Gandhi, Dr. King and any number of lights in history, I am led to see in Barrack Obama the best hope for their expression in our future as a nation.

I am profoundly pro-life, and I mean life after birth unto death. I am profoundly pro-community and think that individual liberty finds its highest expression in service to others. I am in awe of each human being as an expression of that which creates us all, each moment of life, no matter how beastly and bizarre that expression may be. I believe there are no mistakes and nothing outside the penumbra of the values we have found throughout time to lead us forward.

I place more value on making sure no one is left out of the incredible wealth of the earth’s bounty than on accumulating that wealth so others are excluded from it. I place more value on treating each person as I would want to be treated than in imposing what I see as truth on others. I believe we are all equal inheritors of life’s gifts and each entitled to be treated with respect, dignity and deference by any government.

This is what Jesus taught me. I call it love.

We hear that “Jesus loves me” which may or not be true. I do not believe in the resurrection, so I express no opinion about anything regarding those who have died. But any love he may have for me seems irrelevant to what he taught me, that what counts is how much love I put out toward others.

If Jesus ran for President I am convinced he would propose policies that favor family values – support your brothers and sisters, honor your parents and share the burdens and benefits of life itself. I believe Jesus would favor social policies that allow anyone who is willing to commit in love to another human being to marry. I believe if Jesus were running this year he would favor an immigration policy that acknowledges the contribution of those here without documents and insist that they have a living wage, along with all other living among us.

I believe that if Jesus ran for President today he would engender such hope for the future, would bridge every gap or division among us, that he would break through the horrible grip of corruption, corporatism and cronyism now strangling politics. He would, in short, be “Kennedyesque”.

I know Jesus, and Barrack Obama is no Jesus. He isn’t even close. But he is closer than anyone else running, and that includes Gov. Huckabee whose policies are a mix of social responsibility and homophobia and special deference to white Christianity. I am well aware that Obama in large part is riding a wave of “hope” created by spin and commentators. But in large part that was true of John Kennedy when he ran for office as well.

Hope, empowerment and community are streams that run deep in the human spirit and have throughout time. When someone in the public sphere speaks this language, something awakens within us and we reach out, join in and our heart feels a rise. We want that person to be the carrier of hope, fairness and liberation. We overlook much that is inconsistent so that we do not forget the underlying message, that we do not fall into the despair that all is lost and nothing matters.

Barrack Obama has touched that part of me. If you have read my scribbling here you know my first choice was Dennis Kucinich. Dennis touched my mind, fit my politics and never quite made it into my heart. That space is now assigned to the man who can help America find itself once again.

I want to make it clear this is not anything against Senator Clinton. I do not join in the vicious attacks on her and would ask those who do to stop now. It is simple that when I hear her speak, see her on the screen, I don’t hear Jesus tell me to support her.

Jesus told me to support Barrack Obama. Seriously.
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:26 PM   #183
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Jesus ought to tell him how to spell Barack
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:27 PM   #184
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So there are some wingnuts on the religious left I don't think it would be accurate to paint 99% of Obama's supporters as looking to him as the Messiah.
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:30 PM   #185
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Well, I think it was hyperbole, but ... this is the kind of thing that sometimes ends in PLEBA jokes around here. I think anyone who says things like that gets called out, to an extent.
I agree. Hyperbole, by its very nature, is going to elict strong reactions from people. We use it to convey the strongest feelings we have about a person or subject, and very strong feelings are always going to be scrutinized. I'm probably getting in to my love of psychology too much, but I think that's because we live in a culture where we've been saturated with so much information, ideas, etc. that we begin to tune out and become numb to it all. When we find something/one that causes us intense emotional and/or mental feelings, positive or negative, we often resort to exaggerating said person or subject's true ability and goodness or badness through hyperbole; because we don't know how to express our passion in logical terms. Often times, passion can't truly be expressed in logical terms. That's what makes it so unique.
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I hear people everyday say they are supporting Obama, and they can't explain why. I remember watching an Obama supporter on Fox News in one of Frank Luntz's focus groups, and he was asked what Obama has accomplished, and he said "He's a good speaker." You could hear Sean Hannity sighing in the background, as was I.
People are now denying they ever supported/voted for Bush...it's happened 4 times in the past 2 years in the office I work in. People, who were staunch Bush Repubs are denying him like Saint Peter to Christ...

Look, people are energized by Obama...he's intelligent, intelligible, attractive and charismatic. Sometimes that's all it takes. Look if we based electing a President on past results and 'real' accomplishments Bush would still be on the outside looking in...

I'm finally proud of my country...
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So there are some wingnuts on the religious left I don't think it would be accurate to paint 99% of Obama's supporters as looking to him as the Messiah.
Do Obama detractors have any other argument than "Small experience! Crazy supporters! Change hope bullshit!"

I'll stick to the issues, thanks.
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Do Obama detractors have any other argument than "Small experience! Crazy supporters! Change hope bullshit!"

I'll stick to the issues, thanks.
That was a much shorter version of what I posted in the campaign/election thread earlier today about McCain's "eloquent but empty" comments about Obama. I wish I was as concise as you.
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We'll say your post was eloquent and full.
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Do Obama detractors have any other argument than "Small experience! Crazy supporters! Change hope bullshit!"

I'll stick to the issues, thanks.
That's all they've got...if you repeat like a mantra, maybe it will slip into the subconscious of the masses and move them against Barrack...
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When Obama finally walks to his overseas meetings across the Atlantic/Pacific I believe that he is Jesus.
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We'll say your post was eloquent and full.
Thanks, Johnny Mac.
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When Obama finally walks to his overseas meetings across the Atlantic/Pacific I believe that he is Jesus.
Wait, I thought Bono was Jesus...
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Wait, I thought Bono was Jesus...
Bono...is Obama.
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I posted a poll
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