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Old 03-17-2005, 06:46 AM   #31
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That's over-simplifying things...

The purpose of a bow and arrow is to kill in a specific range as well but over time its been used for sports, etc.
Right well guns and axes have been used in sports as well.

If you want to use guns for sports then fine use guns that are modified for sports only or keep all sport guns kept locked on sporting locations.

How many killing sprees have you seen done with a bow? How many banks held up with concealed bows?

You keep trying to bring "other" things that can be used as a weapon and we can go on all day and list items that can be used. But the fact is that guns are the number one weapon used for murder.
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Right well guns and axes have been used in sports as well.

So we agree that you over-simplified the purposes/ uses of a gun... thats good that we agree on something.

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If you want to use guns for sports then fine use guns that are modified for sports only or keep all sport guns kept locked on sporting locations.
Doesn't that take away from other aspects of owning a gun which are for protection and collection? Of course you've heard these points before.

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How many killing sprees have you seen done with a bow? How many banks held up with concealed bows?


Guns are efficient which is why they are more appealing to use as opposed to a bow as your post points out. There is no denying that. How many people who have used guns to rob banks, etc. used guns appropriated by legal means? Well, I'll tell you.... I have no idea.

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You keep trying to bring "other" things that can be used as a weapon and we can go on all day and list items that can be used. But the fact is that guns are the number one weapon used for murder.


I'm sure once the government decides to BAN guns, knives will become the number one weapon used for murder. If that isn't the case, then gun laws would be a waste of time, huh.
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So we agree that you over-simplified the purposes/ uses of a gun... thats good that we agree on something.
Yes I should have said original purpose.


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Doesn't that take away from other aspects of owning a gun which are for protection and collection? Of course you've heard these points before.
Yes, and I don't care. If you want to collect assault rifles or whatever then they have to be modified. There should be legal and illegal guns, period. No one's shown me a reason why one should own an assault rifle.


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I'm sure once the government decides to BAN guns, knives will become the number one weapon used for murder. If that isn't the case, then gun laws would be a waste of time, huh.
What kind of logic is this? You eliminate the means to kill at far range. How many murders or drive bys happen at an arms reach? How many deaths occur from indiscriminate knives that weren't meant for the victim.

Come on!
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I agree with the Libertarian's Party position on gun
control. I also agree with the Second Ammendment and the
right of law abiding citizens to own firearms.

A few other thoughts:

-What's up with this term "assault rifle" ???
Does this mean how certain rifles look "evil" ???

All firearms(single shot rifles), knives, baseball bats, stones, sticks, pencils, gasoline....all of these and other items could
be used to harm.

Evil people intent on doing evil will always find
a weapon.

-Since Great Britain banned private ownership the crime rate has
risen.

-In the U.S. Vermont has a genuine right to carry law (i.e., requires no permits) and yet boasts one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.

-Check the U.S. cities with the strictists gun laws (and crime rates) and compare.

The trouble is not inanimate objects (firearms) but people with evil intent.
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-In the U.S. Vermont has a genuine right to carry law (i.e., requires no permits) and yet boasts one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.
Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean rated 100% with the NRA.

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(i hope this does not throw this thread off-topic)

"Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean rated 100% with the NRA."

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That is true. Howard Dean was not the far-left candidate as he was often portrayed by some. Although I voted Libertarian, I liked Dean.


OK>>>back to topic
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I agree with the Libertarian's Party position on gun
control. I also agree with the Second Ammendment and the
right of law abiding citizens to own firearms.

A few other thoughts:

-What's up with this term "assault rifle" ???
Does this mean how certain rifles look "evil" ???

All firearms(single shot rifles), knives, baseball bats, stones, sticks, pencils, gasoline....all of these and other items could
be used to harm.

Evil people intent on doing evil will always find
a weapon.

-Since Great Britain banned private ownership the crime rate has
risen.

-In the U.S. Vermont has a genuine right to carry law (i.e., requires no permits) and yet boasts one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.

-Check the U.S. cities with the strictists gun laws (and crime rates) and compare.

The trouble is not inanimate objects (firearms) but people with evil intent.

you have so many non facts

I don't know where to begin
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you have so many non facts

I don't know where to begin
You can start by stating your case.
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:50 PM   #39
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-What's up with this term "assault rifle" ???
Does this mean how certain rifles look "evil" ???
Already been defined. Look in thread

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All firearms(single shot rifles), knives, baseball bats, stones, sticks, pencils, gasoline....all of these and other items could
be used to harm.

Evil people intent on doing evil will always find
a weapon.
Already been addressed. If you and I met in an alley and we had 10 yards between us what would you rather have me(the evil one) holding?

a. gun
b. bat,
c. pencil
d.stone
e. b-d


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-Since Great Britain banned private ownership the crime rate has
risen.
I'd like to see some facts.

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-In the U.S. Vermont has a genuine right to carry law (i.e., requires no permits) and yet boasts one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.
Well let's compare populations, econonomics, etc

guns don't = crime rates

but no guns will decrease violent crime.

You're talking apples and oranges.
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You can start by stating your case.
Actually the burden of proof would be on Iron Horse since he brought it up and brought up so many.
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The following defines an Assault Weapon.

A semi-automatic rifle which accepts a detachable magazine and has at least two (2) of the below listed features:

1.a folding or telescoping stock
2.a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously below the action of the weapon
3.a bayonet lug/mount
4. a flash suppressor or a threaded barrel designed to accept a flash suppressor
5.a grenade launcher

A semi-automatic shotgun which has at least two (2) of the below listed features:

1.a folding or telescoping stock
2.a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously below the action of weapon
3.a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five (5) rounds
4.ability to accept a detachable magazine

Other than the grenade launcher, why would these factors justify banning of a weapon?
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There are many sites that present the facts on the British gun ban.

Here's one:
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/f.../ukutopia.html
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Other than the grenade launcher, why would these factors justify banning of a weapon?
Why would anyone need a high powered rifle with a clip that holds multiple rounds? If you're using it for hunting and you can't hit your target with the three in the chamber than you have no reason to be hunting.

Folding and telescoping stocks sacrifice accuracy for concealability. Why does someone need to conceal a rifle?

Why would any legal gun user need a flash suppresor? It's illegal to hunt at night. The only thing I can think of is if you're hunting at night or attacking someone and you don't want them to know where you are.

I could go on but basically it's all the same. None of these items have any use in hunting or defending oneself.
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"Why would anyone need a high powered rifle with a clip that holds multiple rounds? If you're using it for hunting and you can't hit your target with the three in the chamber than you have no reason to be hunting.

Folding and telescoping stocks sacrifice accuracy for concealability. Why does someone need to conceal a rifle?

Why would any legal gun user need a flash suppresor? It's illegal to hunt at night. The only thing I can think of is if you're hunting at night or attacking someone and you don't want them to know where you are.

I could go on but basically it's all the same. None of these items have any use in hunting or defending oneself."



Did you not get the point from a previous post, that one reason for the Second Ammendment was to allow the citizens a defense against a government gone wild?


Why are you so willing to give all power to a Police State?

One of the first orders of Hitler was to disarm the German population.

He's a great poster boy for gun control.
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Did you not get the point from a previous post, that one reason for the Second Ammendment was to allow the citizens a defense against a government gone wild?


Why are you so willing to give all power to a Police State?
And did you not get the point made earlier that there's no fucking way we could defend ourselves against the government? How are you going to defend against tanks, grenades, bulletproof vests, missles and the like.

That argument is outdated and dead.
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