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Old 07-01-2005, 03:07 PM   #61
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I know you didn't address the question to me, but may I offer my opinion?

It's not murder. It's a horrible thing, but it's not murder. There are certain situations where it's neccessary. The ability of women to have that choice to make is one of the most important rights you can have. The government should stay the hell out of it. And democrats in congress should put up the fight of their live when Bush nominates whatever world-is-flat conservative he comes up with.
Noooo, don't take his bait!!! Let's actually try and keep a thread on topic for once.
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Did anyone catch Bork on CNN a few hours ago, making a complete ass of himself? Calling Sandra an activist judge, etc...It scares me to think we might have someone like him on the bench.
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Did anyone catch Bork on CNN a few hours ago, making a complete ass of himself? Calling Sandra an activist judge, etc...It scares me to think we might have someone like him on the bench.
What the hell are they putting in these people's water.

America is snoring.
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Noooo, don't take his bait!!! Let's actually try and keep a thread on topic for once.


Arguing over abortion in the Supreme Court Vacancy thread makes baby Jesus cry.
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As if Reagan's 1984 "mandate" wasn't enough to give them a swift kick in the pants. Or how about a lifelong pampered rich kid successfully defaming two decorated veterans as "unpatriotic" (that's Max Cleland and John Kerry, for those not paying attention)?

I'm pretty much convinced the Democratic Party is in a persistent vegetative state and the only reactions we even continue to see are nothing more than non-conscious, primitive reactions.

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No vision, no organization, no guts, no charisma. No hope. Couldn't agree with you more, Melon. I think Justice O'Connor held out as long as she could. Going to miss her.

Let the filibuster begin. The Democrats are still pretty good at a stalling game. Delay of the inevitable.

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Noooo, don't take his bait!!! Let's actually try and keep a thread on topic for once.
Take MY bait? I'm not putting any bait out there. In fact, I'm the one who TOOK the bait. I was simply responding to verte, who said:

"I don't want to tell someone else what their morals should be"

Why is it okay in your mind for someone to say that abortion is a "morals" issue, but when I ask a question regarding that, I am the one derailing the topic?
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Damn. I normally don't do abortion discussion on the Internet and I did it. It's such a hot button issue, and I'm not going to change anyone's mind. Sorry, that was a screw-up. I can't believe I'm not drunk or something. No excuses, just me being an idiot.
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I like O'Connor, too. She's a moderate. Her successor, I'm afraid, is going to be an extremist.
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Damn. I normally don't do abortion discussion on the Internet and I did it. It's such a hot button issue, and I'm not going to change anyone's mind. Sorry, that was a screw-up. I can't believe I'm not drunk or something. No excuses, just me being an idiot.
Eh, no worries. This thread was doomed to turn into the abortion issue from the get go, and neither you nor I were the ones who brought it up in the first place, anyway. Pax did, on the 3rd post:

"bids fond farewell to reproductive rights"

But I don't mind Pax bringing it up. The biggest issue revolving around this Supreme Court vacancy is abortion, so how can anyone expect it not to be brought up? If Pax or someone else hadn't been the first to bring it up, I would have.
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Take MY bait? I'm not putting any bait out there. In fact, I'm the one who TOOK the bait. I was simply responding to verte, who said:

"I don't want to tell someone else what their morals should be"

Why is it okay in your mind for someone to say that abortion is a "morals" issue, but when I ask a question regarding that, I am the one derailing the topic?
First of all I've never met anyone who didn't refer to abortion as a "moral" issue. Secondly she didn't get into the specifics of what abortion is or isn't. She just stated where she stood on the issue. If you had just stated where you stood on the subject fine, but you wanted to start getting into the debate as to what you think abortion is, that's the difference I see.
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secular values are the absence of the endorsement and imposition of *any particular values* by the government.
in that case, secularism is an illusion. The government always imposes a particular set of values.
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Eh, no worries. This thread was doomed to turn into the abortion issue from the get go, and neither you nor I were the ones who brought it up in the first place, anyway. Pax did, on the 3rd post:

"bids fond farewell to reproductive rights"

But I don't mind Pax bringing it up. The biggest issue revolving around this Supreme Court vacancy is abortion, so how can anyone expect it not to be brought up? If Pax or someone else hadn't been the first to bring it up, I would have.
I agree, abortion is going to be the big issue with this Supreme Court vacancy and someone would have raised it if I hadn't mentioned it. The guess here is that Roe vs. Wade is indeed going to be overturned during this presidential term.
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First of all I've never met anyone who didn't refer to abortion as a "moral" issue. Secondly she didn't get into the specifics of what abortion is or isn't. She just stated where she stood on the issue. If you had just stated where you stood on the subject fine, but you wanted to start getting into the debate as to what you think abortion is, that's the difference I see.
For me, it's only a "moral" issue as far as murder is a "moral" issue, the moral being that it's wrong to kill a human being. That was the entire point of my question to her.

Since your problem with I wrote, what you called "bait", is that I made my point in the form of a question, I'll ask you this:

Are you saying that you would have had no problem with me saying "Abortion is murder, and therefore I'm happy that Sandra Day O'Connor will be replaced"?
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in that case, secularism is an illusion. The government always imposes a particular set of values.
They sure do. Every law is based on a value.
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Since your problem with I wrote, what you called "bait", is that I made my point in the form of a question, I'll ask you this:

Are you saying that you would have had no problem with me saying "Abortion is murder, and therefore I'm happy that Sandra Day O'Connor will be replaced"?
A simple "I don't believe in abortion therefore..." would have sufficed.

I think in threads like this, arguing about whether it should be called this or that etc should be left out, because then you start talking about the issue of abortion and not the Supreme Court. In a thread about abortion talk about it all you want, but not in here. That goes for both sides...but that's just my opinion.
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