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Old 06-27-2005, 06:42 AM   #1
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Well...today may be an interesting day for the Ten Commandments.
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Old 06-27-2005, 07:25 AM   #2
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By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - A split Supreme Court struck down Ten Commandments displays in courthouses Monday, ruling that two exhibits in Kentucky cross the line between separation of church and state because they promote a religious message.

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The 5-4 decision was the first of two seeking to mediate the bitter culture war over religion's place in public life. In it, the court declined to prohibit all displays in court buildings or on government property. Justices left legal wiggle room, saying that some displays — like their own courtroom frieze — would be permissible if they're portrayed neutrally in order to honor the nation's legal history.

But framed copies in two Kentucky courthouses went too far in endorsing religion, the court held.

"The touchstone for our analysis is the principle that the First Amendment mandates government neutrality between religion and religion, and between religion and nonreligion," Justice David H. Souter wrote for the majority.

"When the government acts with the ostensible and predominant purpose of advancing religion, it violates tha central Establishment clause value of official religious neutrality," he said.

Souter was joined in his opinion by other members of the liberal bloc — Justices
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I have to say, I think this is the right call.
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The question becomes: can the Ten Commandments be portrayed in a "neutral" fashion? And, if so, what will it take to be "neutral"?
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Well it only fits within 2 religions...how many have we here in this country?
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hmmm
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Well it only fits within 2 religions...how many have we here in this country?
It fits two and is meaningless to the rest.
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It fits two and is meaningless to the rest.

This is what "the rest" have said?


I don't think so.
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What do you think it means to "the rest"?
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If I am your childs school teacher and I have this posted in the front of the class

"There is no god but Allah,
and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"



and I tell you

"it means something to my Moslem students and nothing to the rest"



Would it mean nothing to your child and to you, who are part of "the rest"?
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I think there is a place to exhibit Ten Commandments displays, it just doesn't happen to be in a courthouse. A local cultural exhibit would be fine. If there were an Institute of Southern Culture anywhere, in fact, I would object if there were no mention of the strong role of religion in the South.
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It fits two and is meaningless to the rest.
You can't really believe that...
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If I am your childs school teacher and I have this posted in the front of the class

"There is no god but Allah,
and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"



and I tell you

"it means something to my Moslem students and nothing to the rest"



Would it mean nothing to your child and to you, who are part of "the rest"?
We would understand it as the belief of Muslims. As far as establishment of my beliefs, or my children's beliefs, it would not have "meaning".

Also, bear in mind, your own example would violate the court's standard.
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nice dodge



I have read things you have posted in here where you complain about much less


The fact that is will not happen
and it is not your ox that is being gored, allows you to dismiss it so easily.
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