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Old 04-20-2006, 07:12 PM   #61
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this book is obviously part of the homosexuals' consipracy to turn our children gay
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Old 04-20-2006, 07:35 PM   #62
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[Q]but what i don't understand is, again, why a gay family engenders a right for parents to opt out of a lesson (though here it seems like its just a book read aloud) -- would you, as an administrator, even mention that there was a book that had an interracial family? would that even be a topic of discussion? can you think of examples of other family structures that would provoke such a reaction by a group of parents?[/Q]

I think the underlying problem is.....

That America does not yet equate Civil Rights with Gay Rights. I have read enough, as I am sure you have, that African American churches here in Massachusetts have been outspoken that they are not the same thing.
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Now you've gone too far. Where are the permission slips?


taking off my administrator hat...puts it to the side....

As a parent, I would be more responsive to having a choice than not. I would not feel like it was being shoved down my throat. I would feel that the school respected my judgement. I would be more likely to allow my child, if there were an educational component put on by the school for me to attend.

And yes, there would be one or two that would opt out....

But a fucking boatload of goodwill on the part of the community...

to the point where the one or two would not have a stage to protest....rallying support against said book not because people are opposed to the book....but because they would have had a say in their child's education.

and maybe, just maybe, if people gave parents a little bit of respect...50 years from now...there would be no need for a permission slip....but just like civil rights...we are not there yet....

But I shudder that we may, by shoving it in the parents faces that we can teach what we want.....may be putting things back to 100 years from now.
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But a fucking boatload of goodwill on the part of the community...

to the point where the one or two would not have a stage to protest....rallying support against said book not because people are opposed to the book....but because they would have had a say in their child's education.

and maybe, just maybe, if people gave parents a little bit of respect...50 years from now...there would be no need for a permission slip....but just like civil rights...we are not there yet....

But I shudder that we may, by shoving it in the parents faces that we can teach what we want.....may be putting things back to 100 years from now.
I completely see your point.

And for all my posturing on this, I wouldn't even read the book to my big kids, but I'd have it in my classroom library for checkout.
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I completely see your point.

And for all my posturing on this, I wouldn't even read the book to my big kids, but I'd have it in my classroom library for checkout.
Massachusetts is in an interesting point in time. SO much is riding on things working here because of the marriage law.

I am busy dealing with the peanut patrol...I would rather be working on this. I have a fifth grade teacher who does address the topic with her students because there are family photos on her desk that depict her neices and their mothers. She handles questions when kids ask, and lets me know that there may be a phone call...LOL.
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But a fucking boatload of goodwill on the part of the community...

to the point where the one or two would not have a stage to protest....rallying support against said book not because people are opposed to the book....but because they would have had a say in their child's education.

and maybe, just maybe, if people gave parents a little bit of respect...50 years from now...there would be no need for a permission slip....but just like civil rights...we are not there yet....

But I shudder that we may, by shoving it in the parents faces that we can teach what we want.....may be putting things back to 100 years from now.
I'm torn here. I understand the importance of community support but I in no way want the community dictating what is taught in the classroom. (In my district we've already got the state to do that for us. )

Edit: Perhaps this is more of a grade school issue? I'm not aware of these types of meeting at the high school level.
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And people wonder why I'm misanthropic.

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I think the underlying problem is.....

That America does not yet equate Civil Rights with Gay Rights. I have read enough, as I am sure you have, that African American churches here in Massachusetts have been outspoken that they are not the same thing. [/B]


yes, but America and the African-American churches are simply wrong.

i mean, they are. history will not be on their side, and they'll all look like a bunch of George Wallace's in 20 years.

and it still doesn't change the fact that gay families exist. why make this fact predicated upon the will of the parents?
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yes, but America and the African-American churches are simply wrong.

i mean, they are. history will not be on their side, and they'll all look like a bunch of George Wallace's in 20 years.

and it still doesn't change the fact that gay families exist. why make this fact predicated upon the will of the parents?
You are absolutely right. Hindsight is 20/20. It was the same with slavery, women's rights, interacial marriage, etc...

It will all make sence 20 or 200 years too late. It's the sad reality of society.

We have to just keep up the good fight.

Sad but true. Until then, I'll be fighting!
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this book is obviously part of the homosexuals' consipracy to turn our children gay
You know that's why they want to adopt
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i don't think it is a question of parents who would like to talk to their children about these things themselves. i think it is more about these parents are just cowards who find life more convenient without the difficult task of explaining things that are hard to explain. but sorry that's just part of being a parent isn't it.

"Everyone was saying 'we're all ONE' and we we're saying (with the song One) 'no, we're not, actually. difference is what's important' "- Bono explaining "One"

It would be so easy to just say "everyone is the same" but to say "i recognize the difference now let me embrace it or even just tolerate it" that's brave. and then there is what these parents are doing which is ignoring the difference in hopes that it will go away.

where the FLIP is Mr. Rogers when you need him? (R.I.P.)
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You know that's why they want to adopt


next thing you know they'll be wanting abortions too ! I say that is something that is intended to be between a man and a woman. It's a slippery slope i tell ya!
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Bascially to answer the question WHY gay marriage when its in society, i think its because its a minority in the schools. Like how they bring in divorce books into primary schools here, that was met with controversay for giving children worries about their parents spliting up etc.

I think, 90% of all family books are hetro happy families, this obviously doesn't match most life, but this obviously doesn't matter to people choosing books.

I think it would be the same if it was about 'david and his mum and her boyfriend that stays over some time' 'mary and her grandma as mum is in drug rehab etc' Not that im saying gay parents are in that boat, but they are a reality that is not a majority, and also confronts an issue a lot of parents are not comfortable with, sadly.

THAT is why its controversal.
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I was watching bill o'reilly the other day (not by choice...damn tv in workout room at the country club) and he was talking about the homosexual parents that went with their kids to the White House lawn easter egg hunt with rainbow lays. He found this to be offensive. Essentially, he doesn't think parents should have to explain why "those people" were wearing rainbow lays to their inquisitive children. Why do conservatives always freak out about having to causally talk to their kids about homosexuality? "Some guys like guys and some girls like girls in the same way I like your mommy/daddy," is all the parent would have to say. More than likely, the kid would shrug it off and just accept it.
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next thing you know they'll be wanting abortions too ! I say that is something that is intended to be between a man and a woman. It's a slippery slope i tell ya!
Let's keep the sanctity of abortion! God intended it to be between a man and a woman and a doctor and a vacuum. 'Homersexuals are just trying to just take over everything.

I love how we've brought the odd abortion conversation into the gay fairy tale thread.
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