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Old 01-07-2008, 03:38 PM   #631
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reminds me of this:
"I love so many critics of the press in Iraq, you know, can criticize the press, can criticize Lara Logan, and Richard Engel, and others who actually have their boots on the ground there. But I would like to see some of them like Bill Kristol go there, without a bodyguard, walk down the street. If he does so, I will make him this promise: I will attend his funeral."

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Or you can read Bernie Goldberg's books, or the myriad of polls that ask journalists to define themselves. I used to watch MSNBC for my political news but since the Iraq war they have made a noticeable and intentional move to be the "antiFox." During the 2004 Swiftboat "scandal" I saw Lawrence O'Donnell literally go insane on TV (I'm sure you can youtube it.) Chris Mathews called the White house "criminal" days before he moderated a Republican debate in 2007, now, that's not biased to you because you agree with that. Even Tucker Carlson's show is guest-hosted half the time by David "I am convinced that Karl Rove will, in fact, be indicted" Shuster, a creep so bigoted towards evangelical Christians that he recently said of them:
"We'll go to a revival and then go to Guantanamo Bay and torture some people just for fun."

MSNBC was in negotiations to hire Rosie O'donald for cryingoutload. No liberal media equivalent...please, and I haven't even mentioned Keef, who if you noticed, co-anchored MSNBC's election night coverage in Iowa. I thought Keef was an "opinion guy" not a "hardnews" guy?

But still, at the least, shouldn't Barack come on FOXNews Sunday and scold Chris Wallace like Bill Clinton did. Wouldn't that only help him in the eyes of Democrats and moderates?

... And none of them are news segments.
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Or you can read Bernie Goldberg's books, or the myriad of polls that ask journalists to define themselves. I used to watch MSNBC for my political news but since the Iraq war they have made a noticeable and intentional move to be the "antiFox." During the 2004 Swiftboat "scandal" I saw Lawrence O'Donnell literally go insane on TV (I'm sure you can youtube it.) Chris Mathews called the White house "criminal" days before he moderated a Republican debate in 2007, now, that's not biased to you because you agree with that. Even Tucker Carlson's show is guest-hosted half the time by David "I am convinced that Karl Rove will, in fact, be indicted" Shuster, a creep so bigoted towards evangelical Christians that he recently said of them:
"We'll go to a revival and then go to Guantanamo Bay and torture some people just for fun."

MSNBC was in negotiations to hire Rosie O'donald for cryingoutload. No liberal media equivalent...please, and I haven't even mentioned Keef, who if you noticed, co-anchored MSNBC's election night coverage in Iowa. I thought Keef was an "opinion guy" not a "hardnews" guy?


yes, you're right, Bernie Goldberg isn't an egomanical jerk with an ax (or twelve) to grind, we should totally take what he says seriously.

if you want to compare Fox to MSNBC you are on far firmer ground than dragging the big three into it, so i'd suggest you pick one instead of trying to say that they're all the same.

how is having Keith cover the Iowa elections ANY different than MSNBC having Joe Scaroborough cover the 2006 elections?

and nothing, but NOTHING, you've pointed out on MSNBC is equivalent to the routine distortion and agenda pushing of the folks on Fox, who won't let Ron Paul debate and are shitting their collective pants over Hick-a-bee's rise.
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are shitting their collective pants over Hick-a-bee's rise.
Stupid question, but shitting their collective pants in a bad way or shitting their collective pants in a good way? I guess I'm not understanding why FOX would have a problem with his rise. Are you implying that their agenda is not only blatently conservative/republican, but that their agenda is actually for specific people/candidates?

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FOX supports the Republican establishment. They don't believe Huckabee is electable. They are looking to bury him and replace him with the re-animated corpse of McCain (seriously, he's looking and sounding more and more stale).
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FOX supports the Republican establishment. They don't believe Huckabee is electable. They are looking to bury him and replace him with the re-animated corpse of McCain (seriously, he's looking and sounding more and more stale).
Gotcha.

They're only thinking of the general election.

As for McCain...I was pretty disgusted with him during the debate the other night when he wouldn't stop making digs at Romney and having a smug grin on his face afterwards. Not that I care for Romney, it's just that McCain's behavior was classless.
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Stupid question, but shitting their collective pants in a bad way or shitting their collective pants in a good way? I guess I'm not understanding why FOX would have a problem with his rise. Are you implying that their agenda is not only blatently conservative/republican, but that their agenda is actually for specific people/candidates?



that their agenda is for the republicans who will placate the abortion-is-murder masses while ensuring that their tax cuts are made permanent. it's the Reagan coalition that everyone's talked about, the marriage of Jerry Fallwell and Wall Street. this is something that Bush 2 had been able to pull off, though his markedly increased religiosity in comparison to his father and Reagan demonstrates the increasing demands of the evangelicals.

the distinction is between the "fuck off, i got mine" Republicans and the "abortion is murder" Republicans. Huck is part of the latter group, and his economic policies are big government in tone and scope, all very christianist nanny-state.

so, when you're a guy like Rush Limbaugh and you want to keep going to the DR to fuck underage chicks with recreational viagra in your bag that's not in your name, you're going to need your cash to do so. you don't really care about the Charlie Churches of the world, just so long as you toss them a bone or two about abortion being murder and Jesus is the way and that church-goers do such wonderful volunteer work and, heck, you don't use condoms anyway (abortions are cheap, and it's so much better without latex).

Huckabee put it best when he said that he reminds people of the guys they go to work with, and Romney reminds people of the guy who laid them off.

they've been treading a very delicate balance for so long, and they've pulled off the amazing high wire act of making Jesus seem like an economic conservative (calling Supply Side Jesus). but it's all collapsed under Bush, and the party's transformation into a religious movement is nearing completion with the ascent of Hucakbee.

you don't expect the Limbaughs of the world to actually live a "biblical" life, now do you?
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that their agenda is for the republicans who will placate the abortion-is-murder masses while ensuring that their tax cuts are made permanent. it's the Reagan coalition that everyone's talked about, the marriage of Jerry Fallwell and Wall Street. this is something that Bush 2 had been able to pull off, though his markedly increased religiosity in comparison to his father and Reagan demonstrates the increasing demands of the evangelicals.

the distinction is between the "fuck off, i got mine" Republicans and the "abortion is murder" Republicans. Huck is part of the latter group, and his economic policies are big government in tone and scope, all very christianist nanny-state.

so, when you're a guy like Rush Limbaugh and you want to keep going to the DR to fuck underage chicks with recreational viagra in your bag that's not in your name, you're going to need your cash to do so. you don't really care about the Charlie Churches of the world, just so long as you toss them a bone or two about abortion being murder and Jesus is the way and that church-goers do such wonderful volunteer work and, heck, you don't use condoms anyway (abortions are cheap, and it's so much better without latex).

Huckabee put it best when he said that he reminds people of the guys they go to work with, and Romney reminds people of the guy who laid them off.

they've been treading a very delicate balance for so long, and they've pulled off the amazing high wire act of making Jesus seem like an economic conservative (calling Supply Side Jesus). but it's all collapsed under Bush, and the party's transformation into a religious movement is nearing completion with the ascent of Hucakbee.

you don't expect the Limbaughs of the world to actually live a "biblical" life, now do you?
Are you getting enough sleep at night?
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Are you getting enough sleep at night?
I'm sorry, was his post not reasonable enough to warrant a response from you?
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no. i leave tomorrow for another shoot. is a stressful time.
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no. i leave tomorrow for another shoot. is a stressful time.
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the distinction is between the "fuck off, i got mine" Republicans and the "abortion is murder" Republicans.
I can tell you're off your game when you leave the "torture-loving Neocon Republicans" out of the equation.
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I can tell you're off your game when you leave the "torture-loving Neocon Republicans" out of the equation.


see, what's so weird, is that the pro-torture crowd seems to fall into both camps.

one wants to torture because, "fuck off, i got mine, and they want to take it from me, and it's not me who's being tortured, so fuck em, it's not like my civil rights will ever be violated, that just happens to poor people and Jose Padilla," and the other is fine with torturing because, hey, they *are* Muslims.
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see, what's so weird, is that the pro-torture crowd seems to fall into both camps.

one wants to torture because, "fuck off, i got mine, and they want to take it from me, and it's not me who's being tortured, so fuck em, it's not like my civil rights will ever be violated, that just happens to poor people and Jose Padilla," and the other is fine with torturing because, hey, they *are* Muslims.
If Republicans exist as the alternative to Democrats, then would it be fair to describe Democrats as either;

1) "Robin Hood" Democrats. Stealing from the rich to give to the poor.
2) "Roman Orgy" Democrats. Worshipping their own lust.
or
3) "Blame America" Democrats. Attributing all the worlds problems to the actions of the Unites States.

Or are Democrats alone way too-nuanced to be distilled down to such simple components?
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Gotcha.

They're only thinking of the general election.

As for McCain...I was pretty disgusted with him during the debate the other night when he wouldn't stop making digs at Romney and having a smug grin on his face afterwards. Not that I care for Romney, it's just that McCain's behavior was classless.
Yea it was very annoying and immature on his part. He did it when Romney spoke as well as when Ron Paul spoke. He was just being an ass. Fred Thompson by the way, was also an ass.
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