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Lila64 said:cake for all
Rumsfeld Steps Down!
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80sU2isBest said:
Whoop!
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AchtungBono said:
Just like all your other, "it's a victory for the terrorists" this is pure propaganda. I'm sorry you fell for it.
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BonoVoxSupastar said:
Whoop!
I love these Aggie traditions...
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80sU2isBest said:
I can't remember if I've asked you this before, did you go to A&M?
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BonoVoxSupastar said:
No, but I was born in Bryan, so I consider myself an Honorary Aggie by birth and by heritage (my father was an A&M grad). My brother-in-law graduated from A&M, and my nephew now goes there.
I went to UT Arlington.
Did you go to A&M?
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wow.
I don't know how much this will or won't change anything but damn it's nice to have him out of there.
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80sU2isBest said:
Class of 97, father class of 65, brother class of 00...
I almost went to UTA for grad school but then changed paths.
Cool.
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Looks lie the
Decider-In-Chief
is really the
Liar-In-Chief
Decider-In-Chief
is really the
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BonoVoxSupastar said:
It's nice that we have something in common - a love for the Aggies - especially on a day like this.
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80sU2isBest said:
See we have more in common than we think; a love for God, U2, and the Aggies...
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Speechless. Fantastic news.
Absolutely. Well done America, just when the rest of us were starting to give up hope in you...
Canadiens1160 said:
Absolutely. Well done America, just when the rest of us were starting to give up hope in you...
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BonoVoxSupastar said:
See we have more in common than we think; a love for God, U2, and the Aggies...
I'll bet no one would have ever seen this coming!
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Yes, the whole press conference is quite illuminating.
There's a difference between being optimistic and being in denial. I did enjoy the thumpin and rodeo stuff though..
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/11/20061108-2.html
THE PRESIDENT: Look -- yes, well -- I, frankly, haven't analyzed the election nearly as much as some of you have. You know, again, I think when you really look close at the results -- first of all, there's a lot of close elections. No question Iraq had an impact. But it's hard to win an election when you're trying to win a write-off -- a write-in campaign in our state of Texas. I mean, you could have the greatest positions in the world on issues and be the most articulate person on an issue, but to try to get -- to win on a write-in is really hard to do.
We had the race in Florida, the Foley seat. That's a hard race to win in a Republican district because people couldn't vote directly for the Republican candidate. And all I'm telling you, John, is that there's a -- when you dig into the races, there's a -- look, I had to go down to Houston, in Sugar Land, and act as the Secretary of State: Take your pencil into the box and then write it in. And my only -- the reason I bring that up is, I'm not sure Iraq had much to do with the outcome of that election.
Now, it certainly did in other places. One of the interesting observations I had from last night was that if you take a look at New York State, Senator Clinton ran a very strong race, but she ran a race that appeared to me to be on -- just a Senate race. She wanted to show people she had the capacity to help others win. And the same thing happened in Pennsylvania with Governor Rendell. He ran a very strong race, as did Senator-elect Casey. And my only point to you is, is that I'm sure Iraq had something to do with the voters' mind, but so did a very strong turnout mechanism in those two important states.
So they're just going to have to analyze all the different results
Q I wanted to ask you about the thumpin' you took at yesterday's rodeo. You said you were disappointed, you were surprised --
THE PRESIDENT: There you go. Rutenberg, you notice that? Taking one --
Q And that was thumpin' without a "g," correct? I just want to make sure we have it right for the transcript. (Laughter.) You said you were surprised, you didn't see it coming, you were disappointed in the outcome. Does that indicate that after six years in the Oval Office, you're out of touch with America for something like this kind of wave to come and you not expect it? And on a somewhat related note, does Nancy Pelosi look much like Bob Bullock to you?
THE PRESIDENT: (Laughter.) That's an inside joke, I'm not commenting on it.
Secondly, I'm an optimistic person, is what I am. And I knew we were going to lose seats, I just didn't know how many.
Q How could you not know that and not be out of touch?
THE PRESIDENT: You didn't know it, either.
Q A lot of polls showed it.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, there was a -- I read those same polls, and I believe that -- I thought when it was all said and done, the American people would understand the importance of taxes and the importance of security. But the people have spoken, and now it's time for us to move on.
There's a difference between being optimistic and being in denial. I did enjoy the thumpin and rodeo stuff though..
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/11/20061108-2.html
THE PRESIDENT: Look -- yes, well -- I, frankly, haven't analyzed the election nearly as much as some of you have. You know, again, I think when you really look close at the results -- first of all, there's a lot of close elections. No question Iraq had an impact. But it's hard to win an election when you're trying to win a write-off -- a write-in campaign in our state of Texas. I mean, you could have the greatest positions in the world on issues and be the most articulate person on an issue, but to try to get -- to win on a write-in is really hard to do.
We had the race in Florida, the Foley seat. That's a hard race to win in a Republican district because people couldn't vote directly for the Republican candidate. And all I'm telling you, John, is that there's a -- when you dig into the races, there's a -- look, I had to go down to Houston, in Sugar Land, and act as the Secretary of State: Take your pencil into the box and then write it in. And my only -- the reason I bring that up is, I'm not sure Iraq had much to do with the outcome of that election.
Now, it certainly did in other places. One of the interesting observations I had from last night was that if you take a look at New York State, Senator Clinton ran a very strong race, but she ran a race that appeared to me to be on -- just a Senate race. She wanted to show people she had the capacity to help others win. And the same thing happened in Pennsylvania with Governor Rendell. He ran a very strong race, as did Senator-elect Casey. And my only point to you is, is that I'm sure Iraq had something to do with the voters' mind, but so did a very strong turnout mechanism in those two important states.
So they're just going to have to analyze all the different results
Q I wanted to ask you about the thumpin' you took at yesterday's rodeo. You said you were disappointed, you were surprised --
THE PRESIDENT: There you go. Rutenberg, you notice that? Taking one --
Q And that was thumpin' without a "g," correct? I just want to make sure we have it right for the transcript. (Laughter.) You said you were surprised, you didn't see it coming, you were disappointed in the outcome. Does that indicate that after six years in the Oval Office, you're out of touch with America for something like this kind of wave to come and you not expect it? And on a somewhat related note, does Nancy Pelosi look much like Bob Bullock to you?
THE PRESIDENT: (Laughter.) That's an inside joke, I'm not commenting on it.
Secondly, I'm an optimistic person, is what I am. And I knew we were going to lose seats, I just didn't know how many.
Q How could you not know that and not be out of touch?
THE PRESIDENT: You didn't know it, either.
Q A lot of polls showed it.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, there was a -- I read those same polls, and I believe that -- I thought when it was all said and done, the American people would understand the importance of taxes and the importance of security. But the people have spoken, and now it's time for us to move on.
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Robert McNamara must be sitting at home going, "been there, done that".
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Sully has a post on his blog that has me positively aroused right now ... 
[q]This was the final insult - to you and to me:
[q]In brief remarks, Rumsfeld described the Iraq conflict as a "little understood, unfamiliar war" that is "complex for people to comprehend."[/q]
He then compared himself to Churchill. Yep: still clinical. The truth is: it was Rumsfeld who little understood and was unfamiliar with the actual conflict he was tasked with managing. It was not too "complex for people to comprehend." It was relatively easy to comprehend. If you invade a post-totalitarian country and disband its military, you better have enough troops to keep order. We didn't. Rumsfeld refused to send enough. When this was made clear to him and to everyone, he still refused. His arrogant belief in a military that didn't need any actual soldiers was completely at odds with the actual task in Iraq. But he preferred to sit back as tens of thousands of Iraqis were murdered and thousands of U.S. troops died rather than to check his own ego.
So let me put this therefore as simply as I can: Rumsfeld has blood on his hands - American and Iraqi blood. He also directly ordered and personally monitored the torture of military detainees. He secured legal impunity for his own war crimes, but that doesn't mean the Congress shouldn't investigate more fully what he authorized. He remains one of the most incompetent defense secretaries in history (McNamara looks good in comparison). But he is also a war criminal: a torturer who broke the laws of this country. The catastrophe in Iraq will stain him for ever. His record of torture has indelibly stained the United States.[/q]
(and this from a blogger who has said that Reagan and Thatcher are his political idols)
[q]This was the final insult - to you and to me:
[q]In brief remarks, Rumsfeld described the Iraq conflict as a "little understood, unfamiliar war" that is "complex for people to comprehend."[/q]
He then compared himself to Churchill. Yep: still clinical. The truth is: it was Rumsfeld who little understood and was unfamiliar with the actual conflict he was tasked with managing. It was not too "complex for people to comprehend." It was relatively easy to comprehend. If you invade a post-totalitarian country and disband its military, you better have enough troops to keep order. We didn't. Rumsfeld refused to send enough. When this was made clear to him and to everyone, he still refused. His arrogant belief in a military that didn't need any actual soldiers was completely at odds with the actual task in Iraq. But he preferred to sit back as tens of thousands of Iraqis were murdered and thousands of U.S. troops died rather than to check his own ego.
So let me put this therefore as simply as I can: Rumsfeld has blood on his hands - American and Iraqi blood. He also directly ordered and personally monitored the torture of military detainees. He secured legal impunity for his own war crimes, but that doesn't mean the Congress shouldn't investigate more fully what he authorized. He remains one of the most incompetent defense secretaries in history (McNamara looks good in comparison). But he is also a war criminal: a torturer who broke the laws of this country. The catastrophe in Iraq will stain him for ever. His record of torture has indelibly stained the United States.[/q]
(and this from a blogger who has said that Reagan and Thatcher are his political idols)
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But Rummy will be rewarded with a cushy job on a defense contractors board of directors or something along those lines so I am sure he isn't losing any sleep over his job performance.
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Buh..........BYEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
and good riddance!
and good riddance!
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trevster2k said:
Actually, I bet he writes a book and goes that route.
There's money to be made!
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Best news I heard all day!!! 
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It just gets better...this is like going to see U2, and the show is brilliant, and then...they come back for ANOTHER encore! 
And this is only foreplay, the orgasm comes in '08 when we say goodbey to the Dim Reaper.
And this is only foreplay, the orgasm comes in '08 when we say goodbey to the Dim Reaper.
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coemgen said:
Oh, he can do that on the side. I mean, sitting on a board means a big check for all the business he sent their way over the years.
I wonder if he will start dumping on Bush too.
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trevster2k said:
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AchtungBono said:
Well, it might also have to do with the newspapers of the four branches of the military coming out with editorials on Rumsfeld this past Monday saying "GET HIM THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!"
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By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer
Iraqis on Thursday cheered the resignation of U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, blaming him for policy failures and scandals they say helped spawn the daily sectarian carnage wracking their nation.
"Rumsfeld's resignation shows the scale of the mess the U.S. has made in Iraq," said Ibrahim Ali, 44, who works at the Oil Ministry. "The efforts by American politicians to hide their failure are no longer working."
Iraq's government has yet to comment on Rumsfeld's resignation, announced Wednesday after the Democratic Party won a sweeping victory in midterm elections in which voter discontent over the war in Iraq played a major role.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has in recent weeks grown increasingly critical of U.S. policies and pushed for his government to assume more responsibility for security from U.S.-led coalition forces.
Many in Baghdad said they expect changes in the U.S. approach under Rumsfeld's expected replacement, former CIA director Robert Gates.
"I think that there will a shift in the U.S. policy in Iraq after his resignation," said Osama Ahmed, 50, a civil servant.
What changes could be in store aren't yet clear, although ideas for a new strategy are being studied by an independent U.S. commission led by former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Democratic Rep. Lee Hamilton of Indiana. The White House says it is opposed to two prominent options — the partitioning of Iraq or a phased withdrawal of troops.
Whatever suggestions are put forward, however, Iraqis said Rumsfeld's departure was a positive move.
"Rumsfeld's resignation is a good step because he failed to keep security in Iraq," said Saad Jawad, 45, a former army officer who also works at the Oil Ministry.
Many Iraqis blamed Rumsfeld for spurring the emergence of Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias by disbanding the former Iraqi army following the April 2003 toppling of the former government of Saddam Hussein.
Although that order was actually issued by former top U.S. administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, such sentiments show how widely Rumsfeld is identified with failed policies in Iraq.
"I am happy with Rumsfeld's resignation because he played a major role in disbanding the former Iraqi army. He participated in building the new army on a sectarian basis," said Louai Abdel-Hussein, 48, a Shiite who owns a small grocery in Baghdad.
Ahmed, the civil servant, said Rumsfeld should also be held responsible for crimes by American forces in Iraq, particularly the abuse of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison that became known in 2004.
"Rumsfeld's resignation is not enough," Ahmed said. "He should be put under investigation for his responsibility in the crimes committed in Abu Ghraib and the killings and rapes carried out by U.S. soldiers against Iraqi citizens, he said.
Rumsfeld had twice previously offered his resignation to Bush — once during the Abu Ghraib scandal and again shortly after that. Both times the president refused to let him leave.
Sentiments toward the resignation among the roughly 140,000 U.S. troops in Iraq weren't widely known, although Col. Al Kelly, commander of 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment, said he didn't see it as "either positive or negative at this point."
"There are a lot of decisions that he's made that people aren't happy with," Kelly told Associated Press Television News in Taji, just north of Baghdad.
"But he made some hard decisions and when you're in that kind of position, you're not always going to be ... liked by everybody," Kelly said.
Iraqis on Thursday cheered the resignation of U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, blaming him for policy failures and scandals they say helped spawn the daily sectarian carnage wracking their nation.
"Rumsfeld's resignation shows the scale of the mess the U.S. has made in Iraq," said Ibrahim Ali, 44, who works at the Oil Ministry. "The efforts by American politicians to hide their failure are no longer working."
Iraq's government has yet to comment on Rumsfeld's resignation, announced Wednesday after the Democratic Party won a sweeping victory in midterm elections in which voter discontent over the war in Iraq played a major role.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has in recent weeks grown increasingly critical of U.S. policies and pushed for his government to assume more responsibility for security from U.S.-led coalition forces.
Many in Baghdad said they expect changes in the U.S. approach under Rumsfeld's expected replacement, former CIA director Robert Gates.
"I think that there will a shift in the U.S. policy in Iraq after his resignation," said Osama Ahmed, 50, a civil servant.
What changes could be in store aren't yet clear, although ideas for a new strategy are being studied by an independent U.S. commission led by former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Democratic Rep. Lee Hamilton of Indiana. The White House says it is opposed to two prominent options — the partitioning of Iraq or a phased withdrawal of troops.
Whatever suggestions are put forward, however, Iraqis said Rumsfeld's departure was a positive move.
"Rumsfeld's resignation is a good step because he failed to keep security in Iraq," said Saad Jawad, 45, a former army officer who also works at the Oil Ministry.
Many Iraqis blamed Rumsfeld for spurring the emergence of Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias by disbanding the former Iraqi army following the April 2003 toppling of the former government of Saddam Hussein.
Although that order was actually issued by former top U.S. administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, such sentiments show how widely Rumsfeld is identified with failed policies in Iraq.
"I am happy with Rumsfeld's resignation because he played a major role in disbanding the former Iraqi army. He participated in building the new army on a sectarian basis," said Louai Abdel-Hussein, 48, a Shiite who owns a small grocery in Baghdad.
Ahmed, the civil servant, said Rumsfeld should also be held responsible for crimes by American forces in Iraq, particularly the abuse of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison that became known in 2004.
"Rumsfeld's resignation is not enough," Ahmed said. "He should be put under investigation for his responsibility in the crimes committed in Abu Ghraib and the killings and rapes carried out by U.S. soldiers against Iraqi citizens, he said.
Rumsfeld had twice previously offered his resignation to Bush — once during the Abu Ghraib scandal and again shortly after that. Both times the president refused to let him leave.
Sentiments toward the resignation among the roughly 140,000 U.S. troops in Iraq weren't widely known, although Col. Al Kelly, commander of 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment, said he didn't see it as "either positive or negative at this point."
"There are a lot of decisions that he's made that people aren't happy with," Kelly told Associated Press Television News in Taji, just north of Baghdad.
"But he made some hard decisions and when you're in that kind of position, you're not always going to be ... liked by everybody," Kelly said.
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U2Man said:
I'm hoping Gates's relative inexperience with the military (as opposed to intelligence; they are extraordinarily different) will mean that he will listen more to what all the generals are saying. Bush has ignored the generals far too long and all it's gotten us is a funny episode of the Daily Show. Sadly I can't find the link on youtube anymore, damn google.
But youtube does bring us this gem regarding the resignation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWwspZJnXSQ
He will probably have to appear anyway. His resignation won't affect the Dems ability to call him before a panel investigating the war, one that Pelosi has alluded will be formed.
As for the debate about what it does for Bush, I'm going to agree with Schumer and simply be grateful that they didn't steal our thunder by having him resign before the election.
Now are there any slices of the terrorist cake left?
