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Old 11-29-2005, 08:01 PM   #31
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Funny how the catholic church frowns on homosexuality but half of thier priests molest little boys......


please, please, PLEASE do not equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

they have nothing to do with one another.

homosexuality is to pedophilia as heterosexuality is to rape.
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please, please, PLEASE do not equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

they have nothing to do with one another.

homosexuality is to pedophilia as heterosexuality is to rape.
How many priests are gay??
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How many priests are gay??


probably half.

still has nothing to do with molesting children.
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How many priests are gay??
What's he's saying is that one who molests children are pedophiles, i.e. people who are sexually attracted to children. A homosexual is attracted to adults of the same sex.
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What's he's saying is that one who molests children are pedophiles, i.e. people who are sexually attracted to children. A homosexual is attracted to adults of the same sex.
I AM AWARE OF THIS - however, it seems priests will do anything that moves -whether child or adult - and they seem to be male
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I AM AWARE OF THIS
I AM GLAD.
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I AM GLAD.
GOOD FOR YOU
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Re: more incomplete and immature specimens of human sexuality




This man is a hero of mine, is he devoid of value?

I can't even make a personally detached/ unbiased statement about this.

I consider myself Catholic but no power on this earth or otherwise have the right to take such ignorant stances.

Of course this is nothing new but I'm exceptionally annoyed.
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I AM AWARE OF THIS - however, it seems priests will do anything that moves -whether child or adult - and they seem to be male
I don't think that's true. Priests that are pedophiles are attracted to children period and probably couldn't get aroused by an adult. Girls do get molested too.

Two of my cousins are a product of an affair my godmother had with a priest so see there are definitely some heterosexual priests out there. She was an adult by the way.

I'd like to add I think the majority of priests are good people. I do disagree with the church itself on MOST issues these days however.
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This man is a hero of mine, is he devoid of value?

I can't even make a personally detached/ unbiased statement about this.

I consider myself Catholic but no power on this earth or otherwise have the right to take such ignorant stances.

Of course this is nothing new but I'm exceptionally annoyed.
Wilde was an evolved soul, IMO, something the Vatican knows nothing about, frankly.
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What good is a religion?

If it does not let you hate with impunity.
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^true

"god" can help you get over that pesky conscience.
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this is breathtaking.

looks like the Vatican's version of Catholicism has much in common with radical Islam and radical Protestan politicized fundamentalist Christianity.

observe the following list of medieval prejudices:

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Vatican newspaper says homosexual men not suitable for priesthood

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Even if they have never had a gay sexual experience and are fully committed to celibacy, homosexual men are not suitable candidates for the priesthood, said a long article in the Vatican newspaper.

Titled "Reflections on the Document," the article was published Nov. 29 with the text of the Congregation for Catholic Education's new instruction on accepting homosexuals as candidates for the priesth

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Msgr. Anatrella said the Vatican felt it "necessary to recall once again that homosexuality always has been one of the difficulties that impedes access to holy orders."

In cultures where homosexuality increasingly is seen as a "normal quality" rather than as "a problem in the psychic organization" of a person's sexuality, he said, the church's teaching needed to be reaffirmed.

Homosexuals have a place in the church just like any other baptized person, Msgr. Anatrella said. They are to be welcomed, supported and helped "to live in fidelity to their baptism and to assume all the moral consequences of the Christian life, but they cannot be called to holy orders."

"Unfortunately, for many years in some countries a permissive attitude has allowed people to think that candidates (for the priesthood) who have this tendency could be ordained as long as they assumed perfect continence," or remained celibate, he said.

Problems and scandals have proven that a permissive attitude "lacked lucidity and wisdom," the monsignor said.

While "sexual transgressions" are a particular concern, he said, there are "collateral effects inherent" in accepting gay men into the seminary and ordaining them to the priesthood because of "typical behaviors and expressions on the part of these personalities."

He said they tend to have few friends, to close themselves off from others in "a clan of persons of the same type," to resent the claims on their time made by parishioners, to encourage other gay men to enter the priesthood and to deal with authority predominantly as a matter of "seduction and rejection."

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Nevertheless, Msgr. Anatrella wrote, "One must free oneself from the idea that leads one to believe that, insofar as a homosexual person respects his commitment to continence lived in chastity, there will not be problems and he can therefore be ordained a priest."

A "commitment in holy orders presupposes that the candidate has attained a sufficient affective and sexual maturity coherent with his masculine sexual identity," the article said.

"He must, in principle, be suitable for marriage and able to exercise fatherhood over his children. And it is under those mature conditions that he renounces exercising them in order to give himself to God in the priesthood," the monsignor wrote.

Msgr. Anatrella repeatedly affirmed the need for a priest to be heterosexual in order to see himself and for others to see him as the "bridegroom of the church" and as a "spiritual father" to those to whom he is ministering.

"A homosexual person would have difficulty incarnating this symbolic reality of the spousal bond and spiritual paternity," he said.

Because the priest acts in the "person of Christ," Msgr. Anatrella said, the church calls only "men mature in their masculine identity" to the diaconate and priesthood.

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Msgr. Anatrella provided a long list of warning signs that should alert seminary rectors and staff members to the possibility that a seminarian is homosexual.

Among worrying signs, he listed: students who had trouble relating to their fathers; are uncomfortable with their own identity; tend to isolate themselves; have difficulty in discussing sexual questions; view pornography on the Internet; demonstrate a deep sense of guilt; or often see themselves as victims.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/0506787.htm

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which makes me wonder ... might they ordane priests who are gay, but are exclusive, total tops?

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