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Old 10-19-2004, 06:59 AM   #16
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Damn. You'd think they'd have learned something from 2000 and that whole mess. If this happens again, I'll scream. I hope whoever wins wins by a decent-sized margin and we won't have a controversy. I mean, hell, if it's Bush by six points, give it to me. That's life and the national political situation doesn't dictate how I feel about my life and my emotional well-being. I always just get on with it.
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Old 10-19-2004, 07:47 AM   #17
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Yes, there are problems-on CNN this AM they talked about the problems in good ole Fla w/ the touch screens. The seniors had trouble w/ them
Seniors have had "trouble" with voting for decades. Now, it is a campaign issue and dozens of lawyers have been assigned to the case.
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Old 10-19-2004, 08:33 AM   #18
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Well I'd say it's more than justified considering what happened last time

My Mother is a senior and has no trouble voting, and wouldn't on a computer, because she's quite computer savvy. Obviously not all seniors are. I'm not familiar w/ these touch screen things but I know it's not really a "computer"

I wouldn't know-the hicksville I live in still has paper ballots
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Old 10-19-2004, 02:06 PM   #19
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Everyone should go back to using the manual voting machines we use in my neck of the woods.

I'm serious!
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Old 10-19-2004, 02:09 PM   #20
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here we have a slip of paper and we put a checkmark or an X in the big box next to the name of the person we want to vote for. Nice and simple....if you can read you can do it. Hell even if you can't read but can recognize a name you can do it lol
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Old 10-19-2004, 03:14 PM   #21
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Gallop poll has been discredited once again. According to that poll, 85% of the people voting are white, only 19% are liberal and over 30% make more than $75,000 a year. The poll SHOULD be sampled based on 2000 exit polls, which are in the parenthesis below. They obviously are not.

By Political Ideology:
Conservative: 41% (29%)
Moderate: 41% (50%)
Liberal: 18% (20%)

Party ID:
GOP: 39% (35%)
Dem: 35% (39%)
Ind: 25% (27%)

Income:
Over $75,000: 32% (28%)
$50-75,000: 16% (25%)

$30-50,000: 26% (24%)
$20-30,000: 11%
Under $20K: 9%

Race:
White: 85% (81%)
NonWhite: 15% (19%)
Black: (a subset of NonWhite) 8% (10%)
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Gallop poll has been discredited once again. According to that poll, 85% of the people voting are white, only 19% are liberal and over 30% make more than $75,000 a year. The poll SHOULD be sampled based on 2000 exit polls, which are in the parenthesis below. They obviously are not.

By Political Ideology:
Conservative: 41% (29%)
Moderate: 41% (50%)
Liberal: 18% (20%)

Party ID:
GOP: 39% (35%)
Dem: 35% (39%)
Ind: 25% (27%)

Income:
Over $75,000: 32% (28%)
$50-75,000: 16% (25%)

$30-50,000: 26% (24%)
$20-30,000: 11%
Under $20K: 9%

Race:
White: 85% (81%)
NonWhite: 15% (19%)
Black: (a subset of NonWhite) 8% (10%)
You could do that with just about every poll and it would not come out exactly the same as the 2000 exit polls. So in this poll there is slightly more people making over 75,000, but at the same time there is slightly less people represented who make 50,000 to 75,000. Any poll done will find variations on all of these factors.


GALLUP: BUSH 52% KERRY 44%

NEWSWEEK: BUSH 50% KERRY 44%

ZOGBY: BUSH 48% KERRY 44%

WASHINGTON POST: BUSH 50% KERRY 47%

TIME MAGAZINE: BUSH 48% KERRY 47%

ABC: Bush 50% KERRY 46%

On average, Bush is ahead by more than 4 points based on these polls done this past weekend.
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so Bush can win pop vote by 2-4 %

and Kerry can win electral college.

We need this to happen a couple of times with GOP winning pop vote and losing electoral college.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by deep





so Bush can win pop vote by 2-4 %

and Kerry can win electral college.

We need this to happen a couple of times with GOP winning pop vote and losing electoral college.
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Its possible for sure, most polls have shown over the past few weeks that Bush is ahead in both Florida and Ohio and if that continues, Bush will win the election. Bush can't win without Florida, but Kerry can't win without taking at least Ohio or Florida.
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Old 10-20-2004, 08:19 AM   #25
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I just checked the latest Reuters/Zogby poll. It has Kerry and Bush in a dead heat, 46% each. True, some other polls have Bush in the lead. But these are mostly within the margin for error. This game ain't over.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by STING2
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so Bush can win pop vote by 2-4 %

and Kerry can win electral college.

We need this to happen a couple of times with GOP winning pop vote and losing electoral college.
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Its possible for sure, most polls have shown over the past few weeks that Bush is ahead in both Florida and Ohio and if that continues, Bush will win the election. Bush can't win without Florida, but Kerry can't win without taking at least Ohio or Florida.
Look again, Sting. Kerry is leading in Florida.

The projected final map predicts a Kerry win, 311-227.

Remember that undecideds tend to break for the challenger 2 to 1.
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Since we are so poll happy, here is a summary
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Try this summary:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bus...erry_sbys.html
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