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Old 06-04-2005, 11:22 PM   #31
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Interesting interpretations. Does anyone know if the artist ever expressed his/her point of view on what it stands for?
This is something I am rather curious on. I wouldn't be surprised if the artist has taken the stance of letting the viewer interpret as they wish and in a way I hope he/she perhaps has. I think doing this is an intelligent move in controversial instances, and allows the viewer to find an opinion they are comfortable with, once the gut reaction has subsided.
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Now you're just being silly.


Who is silly?

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Put back the money taken for 'abstinence' programs, say AIDS groups

by Eric Resnick

Cleveland--Ohio AIDS activists and service organization leaders called for the state and federal government to restore cut funding and stop shifting money toward “abstinence-only” sex education programs which, they said, don’t work.

“I feel a greater sense of emergency than I have felt in a very long time,” said AIDS Taskforce of Greater Cleveland director Earl Pike.

Rev. Tracey Lind, dean of Trinity Cathedral where the February 10 briefing was held, opened it by questioning the morality of spending millions of dollars on ineffective abstinence-only programs, leaving methods that prevent AIDS without money.

Abstinence-only until marriage, a concept promoted by the religious right and the Bush administration, requires schools to teach children and teens that sexual activity outside of marriage is likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects, and that a mutually faithful monogamous relationship in marriage is the expected standard of human sexual activity.
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Old 06-04-2005, 11:24 PM   #33
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Yeah yeah yeah. You write music with no help from the government.

Once you've got the damn instrument, how much funding does it take to write a song?

However, there is a ridiculous cycle at work.

Our schools teach next to nothing about art to the average student (ie., those who do not actively seek it out). Therefore there are many people who don't know the first thing about the place of art in society, and who couldn't care less, and who will judge everything that isn't puppies and kitties and large eyed waifs as controversial and unacceptable.

Therefore, our government is paying for the cultural ignorance generated by it's own educational system by subsiding art...because at least a few people in government realize that a culture is defined, in part, according to its art.
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Old 06-04-2005, 11:26 PM   #34
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On the sport versus the arts: when I was in high school, the marching band was able to make a trip every four years to play in a bowl game parade. Everybody involved had a lot of fun, great experience, etc.

The can't afford it any more.
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Piss Christ
Andres Serrano, 1987

By Andrew Hudgins

If we did not know it was cow's blood and urine,
if we did not know that Serrano had for weeks
hoarded his urine in a plastic vat,
if we did not know the cross was gimcrack plastic,
we would assume it was too beautiful.
We would assume it was the resurrection,
glory, Christ transformed to light by light
because the blood and urine burn like a halo,
and light, as always, light makes it beautiful.

We are born between the urine and the feces,
Augustine says, and so was Christ, if there was a Christ,
skidding into this world as we do
on a tide of blood and urine. Blood, feces, urine—
what the fallen world is made of, and what we make.
He peed, ejaculated, shat, wept, bled—
bled under Pontius Pilate, and I assume
the mutilated god, the criminal,
humiliated god, voided himself
on the cross and the blood and urine smeared his legs
and he ascended bodily unto heaven,
and on the third day he rose into glory, which
is what we see here, the Piss Christ in glowing blood:
the whole irreducible point of the faith,
God thrown in human waste, submerged and shining.

We have grown used to beauty without horror.

We have grown used to useless beauty.
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Yeah yeah yeah. You write music with no help from the government.

Once you've got the damn instrument, how much funding does it take to write a song?
Your snide remark sure makes it seem like you consider music composition a less worthy "art". Is that right? Or were you just being rude?

Anyway, the writing of the songs isn't necessarily the expensive part. The recording/realization of the song is the expensive part. I've spent a considerable amount of money on my musical endeavors in the last 20 years, thank you very much. A music studio doesn't come easy.
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Anyway, the writing of the songs isn't necessarily the expensive part. The recording/realization of the song is the expensive part. I've spent a considerable amount of money on my musical endeavors in the last 20 years, thank you very much. A music studio doesn't come easy.

He's got a point.
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Who is silly?

Deep, was I or was I not talking about personal endeavors?

Since when is abstinence-only curriculum a "perosnal endeavor" instead of an educational issue.

Besides, i think parents should take the resposibility to teach their kids about sex. It's a friggin' shame that parents of this generation have so failed in that department (and many others) that the governement has no choice but to step in and take up the slack.
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Deep, was I or was I not talking about personal endeavors?

Since when is abstinence-only curriculum a "perosnal endeavor" instead of an educational issue.

Besides, i think parents should take the resposibility to teach their kids about sex. It's a friggin' shame that parents of this generation have so failed in that department (and many others) that the governement has no choice but to step in and take up the slack.

I think Deep was referring to Abstinence Only being more of a political or moral agenda than an educational one and therefore should not be fundable. (I have no problem with abstinence being included in a fully comprehensive sex education class.)
We are so off topic here, sorry.
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I don't know what makes you think that stopping mandatory tax-funding of personal art projects would "destroy art". People create art every moment of every day without help from the government. I write music with no help from the government.
But how much gets seen or heard? Without funding very little.
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Piss Christ demonstrates how a free and open society should operate, a controversial piece of work that is offensive to the beliefs of a sizable portion of the population is put on display and the debate about it goes on without staged and orchestrated violence. I like that a lot, because in the end religious belief is just ideas, and no ideas should be beyond repproach, we have the right to tear apart ideas and beliefs, we don't have the right to abuse people who think a certain way ~ but we can break down and argue against those concepts.

I consider the response to Piss Christ and the treatment of the the film (and filmmaker of) Submission to highlight the differences and problems with the role of religion in public discourse of Christianity and Islam in the western world. When we can see controversial art of that level being produced from within a society and it not resulting in deaths it is a good thing, it reflects well on the society. When in response to that art it gets widespread condemnation from the religious leaders and it leads to murders it raises serious questions about freedom of expression.

As for public funding, I think that works can be comissioned, but overall I do not see the benefits in funding arts councils outweighing the costs. If the government stopped funding the arts I am sure that other avenues would be found for expression of ideas.
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Good art asks the questions society is afraid to ask of iteself.
I can agree with that statement.

Also, that totally sucks that you got in trouble for your article . I didn't realize you could get in trouble for asking for academic and art-related programs to have the same treatment as sports.

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But how much gets seen or heard? Without funding very little.
nah nah nah..

if you speak about exposing the music to a wide audience nationally, this is the part that record companies usually "fund" when they think the track has potential. promo money. most of the time, that money is recoupable later. however when you talk about the theoretical approach to a wide audience there is the internet and you don´t need any money at all..

regular support for musicians would be fine, so they can afford to write music freely, not depending on commercial thoughts that much.

and yeah, a studio is fucking expensive *sigh*
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deep I resent you putting that picture into this thread and attributing it to MY POST...

That is so offensive to me on many levels.

I would like a MOD to remove that....and attribute it to deep where it belongs.
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Here's how an ordinary art show is financed. It is true that in many, but not all, cases, the exhibit gets some funding from the government. However, pick up the program at any one of these exhibits, and you'll see a huge list of private donors who made the show possible as well. It's not like these shows are exclusively paid for with public funds. Nine-tenths of the budget is going to be paid for by private companies. My studio's art shows are supported by private donations, not the government. When I recently sold a painting to Energen, which is the Alabama gas company, they had donated some money to the studio, and then the director said that the exhibit was a competition and asked them to buy their favorite. Much to my shock, they chose mine, which is the painting that's my avatar. It's an adaptation of Marc Chagall's "Rain". We have private individual donors as well as corporate donors. None of us do anything like "Piss Christ", either. Most of the artists who work at this studio are Christians. There's at least one who is not, but she's way too talented to do junk like that. She's had her work shown in exhibits all over the country. She is a native of Peru, and she does alot of traditional Peruvian scenes, plus really nice adaptations of Van Gogh and Dali.
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