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Old 06-13-2016, 02:41 PM   #871
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it's also anti-gay hate.
Absolutely
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Old 06-13-2016, 02:56 PM   #872
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STFU, Trump!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!





There... I feel better now.
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Old 06-13-2016, 03:11 PM   #873
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STFU, Trump!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!





There... I feel better now.
Omg... I hadn't even heard yet that that Trump is insinuating that President Obama is possibility linked to Islamic terrorists!???!?

I was just hearing the part of his latest speech stating again banning all Muslims bs.

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it's also anti-gay hate.

Yeah is that being as overlooked and disregarded as it seems? I've gotten literally all my news regarding this from a super pro gay echo chamber I've created for myself online (which to be honest is where I get probably 75% of news because if I have to wade through biases with any source, I might as well settle in where I can remind myself that not all the people are the same Trump supporting asshats I work with), and then came in here and read basically what amounts to a slight step up from the comments sections on articles. So what I'm seeing has all turned into hashtags and pictures at vigils, rather than this game of "chose an agenda to shout about."
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it's also anti-gay hate.
Which is pretty much covered by mental illness I'd say.
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The way the Right wing has been handling this shooting is pitiful. The LGBT community has been fighting for its rights against the religious right for decades. Asshats like Ted Cruz have advocated for anti-gay laws under the guise of "religious freedom" and we are surprised that a possible religious extremist targeted the LGBT community?

This was a hate crime.

I won't go into Trump's remarks today because there isn't enough invective invented for me to accurately portray my feelings. But suffice it to say, I am afraid for Muslim Americans.
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The way the Right wing has been handling this shooting is pitiful. The LGBT community has been fighting for its rights against the religious right for decades. Asshats like Ted Cruz have advocated for anti-gay laws under the guise of "religious freedom" and we are surprised that a possible religious extremist targeted the LGBT community?

This was a hate crime.

I won't go into Trump's remarks today because there isn't enough invective invented for me to accurately portray my feelings. But suffice it to say, I am afraid for Muslim Americans.
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Well here in NYC definately on public radio (both WNYC local public, and NPR national public radio for our international posters) which what I listen to 80+% of the time...

the anti-gay aspect is well pointed out.

And now some one added... Besides being Pride month, it's also Immigrants month. A lot of the Pulse club goers are/were young men of color. That night was "Latin Night". So possibly another aspect.

Yes, it could all of these aspects.

Back to the anti-gay hate aspect

Just heard a young man who is a regular Pulse club goer.... this is a very close , if not exact quote:
At Pulse... " I learned how to be a gay man"... "I learned to love myself" .


So horrific, Strength to all affected!
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How can Trump fucking GLOAT after something like this?
Because he's a fucking garbage person.
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Amen, Moonlit, tc99, & cori.
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Yeah is that being as overlooked and disregarded as it seems? I've gotten literally all my news regarding this from a super pro gay echo chamber I've created for myself online (which to be honest is where I get probably 75% of news because if I have to wade through biases with any source, I might as well settle in where I can remind myself that not all the people are the same Trump supporting asshats I work with), and then came in here and read basically what amounts to a slight step up from the comments sections on articles. So what I'm seeing has all turned into hashtags and pictures at vigils, rather than this game of "chose an agenda to shout about."

I'd say it's getting regarded just fine. I see a lot of the religious right from my father's side who would gladly stand up and oppose gay marriage and denounce these "sinners" all with little rainbows on their Facebook profile picture, and their comments on how you must love one another etc.

Not that my one experience is indicative of everyone, but I definitely think this is a chance for Christian America to sympathize with the gay community over a common evil, so to say. If there's one thing the religious right truly despises, it's Arabs with guns in the name of allah.
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It is interesting (in an incredibly saddening way) how this issue is revealing the hierarchy of the Right's imagined enemies.

1. Muslims
2. LGBTQ
3. Single women
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It is interesting (in an incredibly saddening way) how this issue is revealing the hierarchy of the Right's imagined enemies.

1. Muslims
2. LGBTQ
3. Single women
I'd place Mexican immigrants at 2, maybe tied with LGBTQ?
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It is interesting (in an incredibly saddening way) how this issue is revealing the hierarchy of the Right's imagined enemies.

1. Muslims
2. LGBTQ
3. Single women


if anyone ever again states that transwomen are a threat to little girls in public bathrooms i think you have permission to punch them in the nose.

also, i think i now fully understand why #alllivesmatter is bullshit.


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6 Convoluted Ways Of Thinking About The Orlando Shooting If You’d Prefer Not To Acknowledge It As An Anti-Gay

Feel free to get lost in the weeds with one of these lines of tangled logic if you’re looking to avoid facing uncomfortable truths about anti-gay bigotry in our country.

1. Although the gunman specifically attacked a gay nightclub during Pride Month, this is really just an attack on the American way of life of going out on the weekends: There’s no need to defend the rights of gay people when you could instead just talk about how we’re not going to be scared away from fun nightlife activities. You could even consider using a completely beside-the-point hashtag like #NoToFearYesToWeekends when you post your labyrinthine arguments online.

2. There weren’t enough exits in the nightclub: Should you wish to make the convoluted argument that this is a club safety issue, and not an anti-gay hate crime, we’ve got you covered. Just posit that the Pulse nightclub didn’t have enough exits for evacuation, and that if a fire were to have happened in the club, just as many people would have died. Would a nightclub fire in a gay nightclub have been an anti-gay hate crime? This is precisely the kind of completely warped logic you can bring up when you talk about this issue.

3. The Pulse nightclub attack is solely about gun control or Islamic terrorism or mental health or some combination of just those things: Look, you have enough to discuss already without also bringing up the safety of the LGBTQ community. By the time you’ve exhausted every line of thinking here, you may find that you have successfully dodged a debate on systemic homophobia and violence in America!

4. This tragedy is a grim reminder of the dangers of alcohol consumption: If you’re totally unwilling to acknowledge the deeply entrenched homophobia at the core of the Orlando shooter’s decision to massacre a largely LGBTQ-identifying population, here’s a super-tenuous conclusion you can draw from the whole event: Intoxication is a serious threat to safety. The logical moves are a little all over the place, but you can get to this reasoning by focusing exclusively on the idea that alcohol inhibits your senses, which would technically make it more difficult to escape in the event of an emergency like an active shooter. That’s totally a way you can think of this situation if you’re willing to do the legwork!

5. The gunman knew it was a gay nightclub, but forgot: Okay, so if you’ve gotten to number five on this list, you’re truly committed to finding an incredibly roundabout rationale to explain away this terror attack without having to think about the very real hatred toward the gay community that seethes just under the surface of our society. And here’s some truly cloudy logic to match: While it may be clear from his Facebook activity that he was disgusted by homosexuality, no one can say for certain that Omar Mateen didn’t randomly forget that Pulse was a gay nightclub moments before opening fire. And because it can’t technically be proven incorrect, this may be the one for you.

6. Focus on how all the victims are “just people”: If you’d really, really like to totally sidestep this tragedy as being in any way connected to identity or sexuality, might as well just say this.
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Could it also be self-hatred?

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