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Old 11-06-2009, 02:04 PM   #976
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Republicans, enjoy the downward spiral.


Keep on pretending there is one. This has been a terrible week for Democrats, and they are losing popularity fast and peoples' toleration of their "leadership" is wearing mighty thin. At this point next year, I think this "downward spiral" you speak of will result in the GOP making huge congressional gains.
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Keep on pretending there is one. This has been a terrible week for Democrats, and they are losing popularity fast and peoples' toleration of their "leadership" is wearing mighty thin. At this point next year, I think this "downward spiral" you speak of will result in the GOP making huge congressional gains.



all that happened on Tuesday was that moderate, reasonable Republicans are able to win seats -- in states that historically *always* elect a governor the opposite of the person in the WH -- in a time of 2 failed wars and 10% unemployment.

what's more disturbing are the Tea Bagger "insurgents" and how they tipped a district in upstate New York that hadn't sent a Democrat to Congress since the Civil War to the Democrats.

the GOP is going to gain seats in 2010. we all know this. Obama will remain generally popular, especially as the stimulus money starts to kick in big time in 2010, and unemployment, always a lagging indicator of economic health, starts to finally drop.

anything could happen, but to talk about a broad American shift to the right i think is incorrect. i think what's happened is that, 1) Bush is out of office, so the conservative moderates who value things like basic competency can now vote for the GOP again, 2) people are scared, and incumbents are easy to blame, and, 3) it's only within the GOP are you seeing a real, hard Right insurgency, and the moderates in the GOP are going to have to deal with that.

and finally, i'm not opposed, totally, to the GOP winning more seats (so long as they are moderates, and not part of the Beck/Palin axis).

we had very, very good government from 1989 to 2001, and that was due to divided government.
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Keep on pretending there is one. This has been a terrible week for Democrats, and they are losing popularity fast and peoples' toleration of their "leadership" is wearing mighty thin. At this point next year, I think this "downward spiral" you speak of will result in the GOP making huge congressional gains.
You know, this bit of "logic" has always been troubling for me.

It's obvious that the honeymoon phase is over and, yes, the Democrats' popularity seems to be waning compared to where it was a few months ago.

However, this is less a reflection of the overall performance of Obama, and more the natural ebb and flow of politics. I think it's quite normal for the party in power - Republicans, Democrats or any other part anywhere - to see their popularity dip after a few months in office.
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Keep on pretending there is one. This has been a terrible week for Democrats, and they are losing popularity fast and peoples' toleration of their "leadership" is wearing mighty thin. At this point next year, I think this "downward spiral" you speak of will result in the GOP making huge congressional gains.
Who knows, it all really depends on where the economy is next year.

Anytime you have this much control by any party, there's going to be a backlash, that's just a fact.

What's suprising to me is that the Republican party as a whole still hasn't shown any solidification yet, I would have expected that by now if they really wanted to cash in on this. But there's still this debate and divide between moderates and the right wing. I think some Republicans are scared by the tea bag crowd, they know if they embrace them they look just as idiotic and racist, but if they don't they lose votes.

Right now as I see it, the tea bag crowd is the best thing to happen for some of us...
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the GOP is going to gain seats in 2010. we all know this.
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Unlike Bush who in 2002 and 2004 was able to increase the number of seats his party had in both houses in congress.


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Obama will remain generally popular, especially as the stimulus money starts to kick in big time in 2010
Thats already kicked in, and in order to sustain the current rate of GDP growth in early 2010, a second stimulus is needed.


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and unemployment, always a lagging indicator of economic health, starts to finally drop.
More stimulus will probably be needed to have a chance at substantially reducing unemployment. Unemployment declined in 1984 by over 2 percentage points, but that was thanks to large 8% GDP growth.
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Unlike Bush who in 2002 and 2004 was able to increase the number of seats his party had in both houses in congress.
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Nothing against Obama really since historically the Presidents party always loses seats in the mid-term election and often when a President is re-elected too. But, despite that, Bush was able to increase the Republicans' majorities in both houses.
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Remind me how many seats the Republicans had after 2000... and how many did the Dems get in 2008? That's the context to which I speak of.
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Obama Gives Shout Out to 'Congressional Medal of Honor Winner' Who Isn't | NewsBusters.org

The Washington Post this afternoon reported "President Obama delivers remarks on Ft. Hood shooting at end of tribal leaders conference." The transcript begins:

OBAMA: Please, everybody, have a seat. Let me first of all just thank Ken and the entire Department of the Interior staff for organizing just an extraordinary conference. I want to thank my Cabinet members and senior administration officials who participated today. I hear that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow was around, and so I want to give a shout out to that Congressional Medal of Honor winner. It's good to see you.

Ah, the dangers of giving shout outs without a teleprompter. Crow is not a Medal of Honor recipient. As noted by the Congressional Medal of Honor Society: The Medal of Honor is the highest award for valor in action against an enemy force which can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United States. Generally presented to its recipient by the President of the United States of America in the name of Congress, it is often called the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Crow's name is not included on the Society's Medal of Honor recipient list. He was, however, awarded the Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, in August.

Obama, often described as "cerebral" by the mainstream media, should know the difference between the Medal of Honor and the Medal of Freedom, especially since he personally awarded the latter to Crow. Don't expect his blunder to receive wide coverage. It's not something he can blame George Bush for.

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And your point? Even the most intelligent men can make mistakes, and this was an easy mistake to understand. He is, after all, human.

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"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." --Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." -Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

"Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." --Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004 VIDEO EVIDENCE

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." --LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe -- I believe what I believe is right." --Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001

"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" --Florence, South Carolina, Jan. 11, 2000

"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on --shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." --Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." --speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003
Another American hero.

You're really grasping at straws here if the worst you can pin on Obama's intelligence is when he mistakes a military award for a civilian award. He's not here to play Jeopardy for you.
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Thank you for bringing these important issues to light and discussing them in rational, respectful ways. It'd be a pity if we ever devolved to trading jabs over banal matters.

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its a pity he was giving shout outs at a time when soldiers had been attacked and killed. Apparently shout outs were high on the list of priorities verses...shout outs.
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