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Old 08-16-2009, 09:26 PM   #301
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But it said a British lawyer was already trying to drum up support for a class action by UBS customers who feel they have been betrayed by the bank.

It quoted Konrad Hummler, partner in Swiss private bank Wegelin, as saying that Swiss banks would suffer from any further disclosure of customer data by UBS, even if in purely formal terms that did not breach Swiss law or banking secrecy.

"Everyone is talking about success -- the IRS, the Swiss government, UBS. But that can't possibly be the case," he said.

"Although we still don't know any of the details, we can guess some things: the customer has been made a fool of -- he was promised something which retroactively no longer applies," he said.

($1=1.070 Swiss Franc)
Indeed, Mr Hummler.

UBS to name 5,000 accounts under U.S. deal: paper | Reuters


Now, I've being curious about the still unexplained death of the former chief executive of Julius Baer for a while:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...s-suicide.html

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=234364
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The US government (and any legislative branch) in a common law jurisdiction is most certainly not bound by legal precedent. They are not a lower court, and in fact, it's the legislative branch of government that is free to basically create any law they please. I'm kind of confused by why you'd bring legal precedent in here or make reference to "redrawing the rules" when in fact, this is what the government does in respect of basically every piece of legislation. It is then up to the courts to interpret the legislation, and it falls to the lower courts to follow legal precedent of the appellate courts, although even the highest level courts are most certainly free to, and most certainly do reverse themselves (and hence the aformentioned precedent).

Kind of an odd thing to say, really.
You are not seriously saying precedent is of no importance??
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In my view, those who steal from the common-wealth are little better than traitors.
Well, I find this a bit strong for my tastes. I don't think we're going to agree on that one.
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You are not seriously saying precedent is of no importance??
Legal precedent is a judicial concept, not a legislative one. That is what I am telling you.
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Someone should set up a town hall sign generator


The Funniest Signs From Town Hall Protests (PICS)



"Stop you're starting to scare George Orwell"-that's a good one too. Looks like that's what it says.
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I liked most of what I heard today on the VFW speeches.
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by John Faherty - Aug. 17, 2009 11:10 AM
The Arizona Republic

President Barack Obama came to Phoenix this morning to address the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention.

But the real story, was on the streets outside the downtown convention center, where the corners were packed with vocal opponents and supporters of the his health-care reform plans.

Obama began to address the veterans at 10:06 and finished at 10:39.

Minutes later, he was on his way to the airport and Air Force One, which will take him back to Washington.

Almost immediately, the crowds in the city began to dissipate because of the president was gone the temperatures were rising.

Beginning before 7 this morning, people on both sides of the health-care divide arrived to make clear their positions.

The epicenter of the debate was the corner of 3rd and Washington streets.

People on both sides were chanting and counter-chanting to make their points.

Signs were waved and fingers were pointed, but the overall mood in the city was more excitement than anger.

All morning long, Phoenix police reported no arrests or calls for medical assistance.

Throngs of people, some supporting the president's plan to reform the system, and some opposed to his plan, are milled about, expressing themselves with their voices, hand-made signs, and t-shirts.

Douglas Ducharme, 50, a dispatcher from Tempe, was dressed like the grim reaper in a black hood and gray cape, standing on the corner of 2nd Street and Adams.

Holding a sign that said AARP NOW RIP, he was protesting any changes to the current healthcare system. "This is America. We have the right to choose and the freedom to choose," he yelled.

Army reservist, Lt. Corey Harris, 33, of Peoria, said he just returned from Iraq eight days ago.

He said he has experienced first hand the ability of the government to help administer health care.

"As someone who has been involved in the VA system, I've seen the great job government can do in getting involved in health care," Harris said. "Everyone deserves health care."

Jane Kibler, 56, of Florida, member of the Ladies Auxiliary to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, was on her way over to the convention hall to hear President Obama speak.

She described herself as a Democrat and said she voted for Obama, but said this would be the first time she'll have heard him speak in person.

She said veterans are really looking forward to what he has to say. "I know they (vets) do have some concerns about veterans' benefits."

There were pockets of people on both sides of the health care debate walking around the city.

Elaine Gangbluff, 73, of Phoenix, held a sign that read: If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.

"I'm strongly opposed to government running health care. That should be between my doctor and myself," she said.

She added that she is also opposed generally to the president's administration.

"We're printing money we don't have, and borrowing money we can't pay," Gangbluff said.

But those in favor of health-care reform are also out in large numbers.

A line of people in support of the new plan reached down Washington Street between 3rd and 5th streets.

One sight was perhaps a little unnerving to those in charge of making sure everybody remains on their best behavior.

A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault rifle) on a strap over his shoulder.

"Because I can do it," he said when asked why he was armed. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."

Two police officers were staying very close to the man.

"What he is doing is perfectly legal," Det. J. Oliver, of the Phoenix Police Department said. "We are here to keep the peace. If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time."

Jim Mariman, an Idaho veteran of the Korean War and the Vietnam War, was spending his time outside the convention center rather than in it.

"What we are seeing here is people speaking their minds and their hearts," Mariman said.

Mariman is opposed to Obama's health-care reform plan, but enjoys the fact that those who disagree with him, can disagree with him openly.

"These people can protest because I gave them the right."

There have been some instances of the debate turning a little more contentious.

Leonard Clark, of Phoenix, called himself an Independent.

Standing on the corner near 3rd and Washington streets, he stopped and said those opposed to health-care reform were only doing so because the president "is Black."

Immediately, a group of people opposed to the president's plan surrounded him, yelling "race baiter, race baiter, race baiter" at the top of their lungs.

Doug Ducharme, of Tempe, was one of those yelling.

"This has nothing to do with the president being Black," he said. "My ex-wife is Black."

Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.

She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.

"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe." maybe her parents should tell her that Europe's not a country

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The Arizona Republic

President Barack Obama came to Phoenix this morning to address the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention.

But the real story, was on the streets outside the downtown convention center, where the corners were packed with vocal opponents and supporters of the his health-care reform plans.

Obama began to address the veterans at 10:06 and finished at 10:39.

Minutes later, he was on his way to the airport and Air Force One, which will take him back to Washington.

Almost immediately, the crowds in the city began to dissipate because of the president was gone the temperatures were rising.

Beginning before 7 this morning, people on both sides of the health-care divide arrived to make clear their positions.

The epicenter of the debate was the corner of 3rd and Washington streets.

People on both sides were chanting and counter-chanting to make their points.

Signs were waved and fingers were pointed, but the overall mood in the city was more excitement than anger.

All morning long, Phoenix police reported no arrests or calls for medical assistance.

Throngs of people, some supporting the president's plan to reform the system, and some opposed to his plan, are milled about, expressing themselves with their voices, hand-made signs, and t-shirts.

Douglas Ducharme, 50, a dispatcher from Tempe, was dressed like the grim reaper in a black hood and gray cape, standing on the corner of 2nd Street and Adams.

Holding a sign that said AARP NOW RIP, he was protesting any changes to the current healthcare system. "This is America. We have the right to choose and the freedom to choose," he yelled.

Army reservist, Lt. Corey Harris, 33, of Peoria, said he just returned from Iraq eight days ago.

He said he has experienced first hand the ability of the government to help administer health care.

"As someone who has been involved in the VA system, I've seen the great job government can do in getting involved in health care," Harris said. "Everyone deserves health care."

Jane Kibler, 56, of Florida, member of the Ladies Auxiliary to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, was on her way over to the convention hall to hear President Obama speak.

She described herself as a Democrat and said she voted for Obama, but said this would be the first time she'll have heard him speak in person.

She said veterans are really looking forward to what he has to say. "I know they (vets) do have some concerns about veterans' benefits."

There were pockets of people on both sides of the health care debate walking around the city.

Elaine Gangbluff, 73, of Phoenix, held a sign that read: If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.

"I'm strongly opposed to government running health care. That should be between my doctor and myself," she said.

She added that she is also opposed generally to the president's administration.

"We're printing money we don't have, and borrowing money we can't pay," Gangbluff said.

But those in favor of health-care reform are also out in large numbers.

A line of people in support of the new plan reached down Washington Street between 3rd and 5th streets.

One sight was perhaps a little unnerving to those in charge of making sure everybody remains on their best behavior.

A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault rifle) on a strap over his shoulder.

"Because I can do it," he said when asked why he was armed. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."

Two police officers were staying very close to the man.

"What he is doing is perfectly legal," Det. J. Oliver, of the Phoenix Police Department said. "We are here to keep the peace. If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time."

Jim Mariman, an Idaho veteran of the Korean War and the Vietnam War, was spending his time outside the convention center rather than in it.

"What we are seeing here is people speaking their minds and their hearts," Mariman said.

Mariman is opposed to Obama's health-care reform plan, but enjoys the fact that those who disagree with him, can disagree with him openly.

"These people can protest because I gave them the right."

There have been some instances of the debate turning a little more contentious.

Leonard Clark, of Phoenix, called himself an Independent.

Standing on the corner near 3rd and Washington streets, he stopped and said those opposed to health-care reform were only doing so because the president "is Black."

Immediately, a group of people opposed to the president's plan surrounded him, yelling "race baiter, race baiter, race baiter" at the top of their lungs.

Doug Ducharme, of Tempe, was one of those yelling.

"This has nothing to do with the president being Black," he said. "My ex-wife is Black."

Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.

She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.

"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe." maybe her parents should tell her that Europe's not a country


"My ex-wife is black"

And proof that we all can fall victim to racial stereotypes, the above is not what I pictured when I read about the guy with pistol and AR/15.
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And proof that we all can fall victim to racial stereotypes, the above is not what I pictured when I read about the guy with pistol and AR/15.



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How about Michelle Obama wearing shorts to the Grand Canyon? Outrageous!


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For Obama, not the time for extended Vineyard rest

By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff | August 20, 2009

WASHINGTON - As the Obamas prepare to alight in Martha’s Vineyard this weekend, the getaway comes with a painful political truth: As goes the economy, so goes the first presidential vacation. Unlike his predecessor, who spent a month at his Texas ranch, President Obama is treating himself to just one week’s respite.

“I think there’d be a backlash if he took a long vacation, given what the economy is,’’ said Joe Lockhart, who was White House press secretary during the Clinton administration.

And even if the stock market were strong and unemployment low, Obama still has the daunting task of recapturing momentum on the health care debate and can’t be away for too long, Lockhart added.

“He realizes if he takes two weeks off, coming back is going to be impossible,’’ Lockhart said.

Other presidents have managed to squeeze in a bit more time off, and, as Lockhart notes, there is nothing wrong with that. Clinton took a 17-day vacation in Jackson Hole, Wyo., in 1995, and went six times to Martha’s Vineyard, spending up to three weeks at a time in the bucolic spot. Both Presidents Bush enjoyed long vacations: George H. W. routinely spent the month of August at his family estate in Kennebunkport, Maine, while his son, George W., spent the hot summer month on his ranch.

But Obama is settling for a Sunday-to-Sunday sojourn. The White House has not released details of the Obamas’ plans, but locals say the first family has rented the Blue Heron Farm in Chilmark, a 28-acre estate owned by William and Mollie Van Devender, both donors to Republicans. The property includes a swimming pool, access to a private beach, even a place to whack golf balls.

“It’s obviously a nice place, and probably meets some of the criteria of the security people,’’ Dukes County manager Russell Smith said of the property rental, which was first reported last month by the Vineyard Gazette. “It’s not remote, but set off by itself on the edge of a pond,’’ giving the first family some privacy, he said.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said yesterday he didn’t know how much the Obamas were paying for the weeklong rental. Similar properties on the island rent for $35,000 to $50,000 a week. The Obamas are paying their family vacation tab themselves, administration officials said.

White House aides insist the week will be a real vacation - no public events, no announcements. Speculation abounds that Obama will try to visit his friend Senator Edward M. Kennedy, who is in nearby Hyannis Port battling a brain tumor, but presidential deputy press secretary Bill Burton said there are “no plans’’ for Obama to visit the ailing senator.

The Vineyard is an ideal vacation spot for the Obamas, Smith said, since its residents are used to seeing famous people. Walter Cronkite and Jimmy Cagney vacationed there; Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis had property there, and the Kennedy family is a short ferry ride away. In addition, two of Obama’s friends, Harvard professors Charles Ogletree and Henry Louis “Skip’’ Gates, regularly vacation on Martha’s Vineyard.

Celebrity sightings don’t cause much of a stir on the island, where the 15,000 permanent residents and 85,000 summer visitors have an unspoken agreement to leave each other in peace, Smith said.

“The idea is that everybody’s welcome here, but you attempt to fit in with the existing culture,’’ Smith said. “You keep it low-key and respect other people’s privacy.’’

Past commanders in chief have learned that the term “presidential vacation’’ is often a cruel oxymoron.

The first President Bush spent one summer vacation dealing with the dismantling of the former Soviet Union, and another handling the buildup to the first Iraq war. “What is it about August?’’ the former president wondered aloud to the press corps traveling with him on his Maine vacation in 1991.

Clinton spent one vacation at the Vineyard, shortly after the disclosure of his relationship with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, keeping a low profile with his wife, Hillary Clinton, during the trip. Princess Diana died in Paris during another of his visits.

The second President Bush was excoriated for his long vacations. In 2002, a golfing Bush famously denounced “terrorist killers’’ who set off bombs in Israel, then added, “Now watch this drive’’ and hit another golf ball.

In 2005, antiwar protesters camped out near Bush’s ranch, and critics complained that it was unseemly for the president to take a lengthy vacation when US forces were in Iraq. Bush did return two days early from his break, but only because Hurricane Katrina had devastated New Orleans, and he was criticized for what critics said was a late and lackluster response to the crisis.

Presidents also rarely get a break from public scrutiny. Daily photo-ops are expected, and White House staffers end up weighing in on how the most powerful man in the world should present himself on vacation, said Steve Rabinowitz, who served as Clinton’s director of design and production before forming his own public relations company.

“All of a sudden the staff guys like me take over and think, ‘What’s the picture of the day going to be? The president swimming? Shirtless? Not shirtless? They’re going out to dinner. Loafers with no socks?’ ’’ Rabinowitz recalled. It was a conversation that could exasperate the first family, he said.

Smith hopes the Obamas can avoid the stress and pressure of Washington while they are in town.

“It’s only a week,’’ he said. “I hope he gets the chance to have a vacation that’s actually invigorating, and to get some down time.’’

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Walmart, Best Buy, CVS, and GMAC are among eight major advertisers that have confirmed pulling their advertising from Fox News' "Glenn Beck" program in light of his comments that President Obama is a racist.

The advertisers did not pull their spots from Fox News, but rather requested that their ads do not air during Beck's 5PM program.

The advertisers in the latest round of pull-out from Beck's show and their statements to ColorOfChange.org:

* Allergan (maker of Restasis): "We reviewed our commercial schedule, and based on your feedback, we've put any programming featuring Glenn Beck on our "do not air" list. This means that you will no longer see any Restasis ads during programming featuring Glenn Beck. Thanks again for bringing this to our attention."
* Ally Bank (a unit of GMAC Financial Services): "Ally advertises on a broad spectrum of programs to reach our potential customers. Our advertising is not an endorsement of editorial content on any program. We have ceased to advertise on the Glenn Beck program."
* Best Buy
* Broadview Security: "Given the considerations, we have requested of Fox News not to include us in the rotation that would have our commercials running on Glenn Beck's show."
* CVS: "While advertising on Fox is part of our communication plan, we had not requested time on Glenn Beck's show specifically. We have instructed our advertising agency to inform Fox to ensure Glenn Beck's program is not part of our advertising plan."
* Re-Bath: "...We are no longer airing our commercials on the Glenn Beck Show..."
* Travelocity: "We did not specifically place our ad on the show. We buy ads in bulk and then they are placed somewhat randomly. However, we have now specifically asked that our ads do not appear during this show."
* Wal-Mart: "Walmart today confirmed the retailer pulled ads from the Glenn Beck show on August 3rd,"

These companies join a growing list of advertisers to pull their ads from Beck's show, including ConAgra, GEICO, Lawyers.com, Men's Wearhouse, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance, RadioShack, Roche, SC Johnson, Sanofi-Aventis, Sargento, and State Farm Insurance.
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That's awesome!!! I wonder if he'll cry on air...

This is one of the few good things WalMart has done in a long time.
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