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Old 08-12-2009, 01:35 PM   #241
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Uh yes-a black person doesn't disagree with Obama just because they're black? So they think with their skin color?
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Many of the people that voted for Dingell, the longest serving member in the House with a lot of power and seniority, who enjoys support from the NRA and many in big business

probably did not vote for or like Obama and his policies, they believe he wants to take their guns away and is not friendly to big business.

It is not a stretch at all that one could be pro Dingell and anti Obama.
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I now expect all of you to assume that it very well might be a Democrat in disguise whenever you see someone holding an offensive anti-Obama poster, and to not assume it's a conservative until you have been given proven, undeniable evidence.
Well before we do that we're gonna need more evidence than the typical "My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw a black dude hold up an Adolf Obama sign and then he later passed out some Dingell pamphlets.

It's pretty serious."
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My point is that it is now known that there are Obama supporters out there posing as conservatives to make them look bad. And the media will film them and run with it, and say "Hey, look at the conservatives comparing Obama to Hitler."
wow,

are you suggesting Sarah Palin is a plant?
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I'm not getting your point. Aren't you trying to have it both ways? Think about how you feel about all these protesters you're seeing on TV. Now, do you feel that exact same way- if not worse- about the people in that article? If not, that's unfair.
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Dude, I'm not trying to have it any way at all!

I just wanted to be clear as to whether you agree or disagree with the protesters.

(I can tell you I disagreed witht leftwing loonies who believed, say, that Bush masterminded 9/11 so he could attack Iraq. I happened to agree with them that he was a bad president, but I'd in now way take it as far as they did).
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wow,

are you suggesting Sarah Palin is a plant?
That would explain a lot.
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wow,

are you suggesting Sarah Palin is a plant?
that's insulting to plants
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Her?

I literally laughed out loud at work when I came across this. I love it so much:
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Old 08-12-2009, 02:41 PM   #250
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Anybody remember the media making a big deal of these 2002 protests, or implying that they represent the whole Democratic Party? I didn't think so...

Analysis: Press Largely Ignored Incendiary Rhetoric at Bush Protest - Political News - FOXNews.com
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[B]When Bush visited Portland, Ore., for a fundraiser, protesters stalked his motorcade, assailed his limousine and stoned a car containing his advisers. Chanting "Bush is a terrorist!",

A fourth declared: "CHRISTIAN FASCISM," with a swastika in place of the letter S in each word.

"BUSH: BASTARD CHILD OF THE SUPREME COURT." One sign read: "IMPEACH THE COURT-APPOINTED JUNTA AND THE FASCIST, EGOMANIACAL, BLOOD-SWILLING BEAST!"

Well, that's not very civil at all, now, is it?
So, where are these extreme statements you keep banging on about?

But in any case, your entire argument is so incredibly weak. You're basically saying that Republicans shouldn't trouble to hold back from calling Obama a Nazi cause the other side did it to Bush. So your standard of behaviour is actually guided by the left wing of the Democratic party, people that you hate.

In other news, Bush applauded at UN for 'not killing as many as Hitler...'
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Many of the people that voted for Dingell, the longest serving member in the House with a lot of power and seniority, who enjoys support from the NRA and many in big business

probably did not vote for or like Obama and his policies, they believe he wants to take their guns away and is not friendly to big business.

It is not a stretch at all that one could be pro Dingell and anti Obama.
Dingell was my representative when I lived in Michigan. He has so much seniority that voting for him is now an afterthought, and he hasn't faced anything more than token opposition for at least as long as I've been alive (and there have been a few elections where he didn't face any opponent at all). I don't think you can really draw any kind of meaningful statistics about the attitudes of those who voted for Dingell and their attitudes toward Obama.
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Is it unreasonable to suggest that someone could be a supporter of Dingell and avid opponent of Obama?
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Is it unreasonable to suggest that someone could be a supporter of Dingell and avid opponent of Obama?
If you're looking for a broader trend, I don't think you can draw that conclusion. Dingell's district also generally votes overwhelmingly Democratic in presidential elections--including the one in 2008.
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I am not looking for a broader trend at all.

Only at the couple in question, they showed up with anti-Obama signs.

1. they don't support the President or want him to succeed.

2. then after the rally they passed out pro Dingell literature.

like many in the area they may have a long term history with overall favorable view of the pork he is able to bring home.
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I am not looking for a broader trend at all.

Only the couple in question, they showed up with anti-Obama signs.

1. they don't support the President or want him to succeed.

2. then after the rally they passed out pro Dingell literature.

like many in the area they may have a long term history with overall favorable view of the pork he is able to bring home.
Well, I think that one observation can be made about heavily pro-union regions. They can be incredibly socially conservative, so I do think that there is a minority that could be pro-Dingell and anti-Obama. I also think it's quite feasible to have voted for both and to still be against substantive change of any kind.
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