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Old 08-11-2009, 12:28 PM   #136
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while i disavow any Bush/Hitler comparisons, i think one fair distinction to make is that those comparisons were made when Bush manipulated intelligence to justify an illegal war that has killed tens of thousands of Iraqis.
Bush didn't manipulate intelligence nor was the war illegal. There has never been a war in history that had more resolutions justifying it, had the the occupation that resulted from the invasion approved by the UN for 6 straight years, and few wars that have been supported by so many members of congress, and was also supported by most people in the previous Clinton administration as well as Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. The loss of Iraqi life is terrible, but those opposing the war had very little to say about innocent Iraqi's prior to the war, and even fewer of them attempt to estimate how many Iraqi's would have died by leaving Saddam in power. No governments policies have killed more Iraqi's than Saddam's policies, yet the same people who attack Bush for Iraqi deaths wanted to leave Saddam in power!
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Bush didn't manipulate intelligence nor was the war illegal. There has never been a war in history that had more resolutions justifying it, had the the occupation that resulted from the invasion approved by the UN for 6 straight years, and few wars that have been supported by so many members of congress, and was also supported by most people in the previous Clinton administration as well as Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. The loss of Iraqi life is terrible, but those opposing the war had very little to say about innocent Iraqi's prior to the war, and even fewer of them attempt to estimate how many Iraqi's would have died by leaving Saddam in power. No governments policies have killed more Iraqi's than Saddam's policies, yet the same people who attack Bush for Iraqi deaths wanted to leave Saddam in power!

There are millions being killed in Africa by corrupt governments, rebel forces, etc. But we couldnt give a fuck less about them. Oh wait, they dont have oil.
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To quote Jon Stewart:

"Yes, lincoln was the most unpopular president we ever had... it seems no matter what he did, half the country would hate him!"

I wonder why half of the country hated Lincoln?? hmm....
Actually, if you just took the Northern states, 45% of them did not vote for Lincoln in 1864. Had Sherman not taken Atlanta in 1864, Lincoln likely would have lost the election leading to the election an administration that ran on a peace platform that was willing to agree to the South's demand to permanently divide the country.
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There are millions being killed in Africa by corrupt governments, rebel forces, etc. But we couldnt give a fuck less about them. Oh wait, they dont have oil.
Energy is vital to the global economy, without which, any sort of Aid to Africa would be impossible.
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Holy Shit! You actually call yourself a U2 fan? This has got to be the dumbest post in the history all message boards. Let go of the hate man.
Oh, come on Bruce, not again...
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There are millions being killed in Africa by corrupt governments, rebel forces, etc. But we couldnt give a fuck less about them. Oh wait, they dont have oil.

Does Africa harbor AL Queda and other terrorists? Has Africa made any threats to the United States? Did Africa invade Kuwait?
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Bush didn't manipulate intelligence nor was the war illegal. There has never been a war in history that had more resolutions justifying it, had the the occupation that resulted from the invasion approved by the UN for 6 straight years, and few wars that have been supported by so many members of congress, and was also supported by most people in the previous Clinton administration as well as Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. The loss of Iraqi life is terrible, but those opposing the war had very little to say about innocent Iraqi's prior to the war, and even fewer of them attempt to estimate how many Iraqi's would have died by leaving Saddam in power. No governments policies have killed more Iraqi's than Saddam's policies, yet the same people who attack Bush for Iraqi deaths wanted to leave Saddam in power!
You seem to be overlooking the fact that we were all told, including Bill Clinton and Mickey Mouse, that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was ready to annihilate the western world. They swore to this fact up and down, claiming that they had visual proof and that they knew in which area these weapons of mass destruction were being held.

The truth, and it still is the truth 6 years later, is that these weapons never existed. That part, that monumental part, the reason why we were told we needed to send over our troops was the biggest lie of this century. We had no reason to go into Iraq. Bush's administration promised to hunt down those responsible for 9/11. Where is he? Where is Osama bin Laden? Saddam Hussein was not responsible for 9/11. I'm sure he wasn't crushed about it.
He was an asshole. But the world is filled with assholes.

Say what you will about GDP and deficits and profits, but this is the defining part of Bush's legacy. No one remembers Lincoln for... I don't know, animal welfare.
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Oh, come on Bruce, not again...

Not again what?
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Does Africa harbor AL Queda and other terrorists? Has Africa made any threats to the United States? Did Africa invade Kuwait?
"Africa" does harbor terrorists. How soon we forget about the pirates. Why don't we invade Somalia and get rid of these pirates?

Regardless, I understand your point and it doesn't work. Our reason for invading Iraq was to disarm Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.

I'm sure he had them. Right next to his unicorn stables and dragon lairs.
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"Africa" does harbor terrorists. How soon we forget about the pirates. Why don't we invade Somalia and get rid of these pirates?

Regardless, I understand your point and it doesn't work. Our reason for invading Iraq was to disarm Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.

I'm sure he had them. Right next to his unicorn stables and dragon lairs.

Did anybody ever happen to think what would have happened if Saddam did have WMD but we didnt act what would have happened? Better to be safe than sorry. By the way there are millions of Iraqi's who are grateful to this country that he's gone. While I am disappointed that Bin laden is still out there I am kind of glad that Saddam is gone with all of the evil he commited and potential for much more.

Alot of people forget that a few years before this war that something happened in NY, Washington, and Pa. I mean nobody here was concerned that Saddam wasnt cooperating with the weapons inspectors.
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Saddam didn't harbor terrorists either.

they tried -- oh! how they tried! -- to prove that, but it was another falsehood.
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Does Africa harbor AL Queda and other terrorists? Has Africa made any threats to the United States? Did Africa invade Kuwait?
Actually yes to your first question, of course Africa is a continent and not a country.

When did Iraq "make threats" on the U.S?



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Not again what?
This is exactly how you came into the tour section, guns a blazing attacking as much as you can.
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President Obama's primary message at today's town hall meeting in Portsmouth, N.H., is expected to be that the healthcare overhaul will be good for Americans who already have insurance as well as those who don't.

With polls showing deep skepticism about some of the Democratic proposals, he plans to talk about how the plan would prevent insurers from denying coverage for preexisting medical conditions, from dropping coverage when someone gets seriously ill, and from charging exorbitant out-of-pocket costs.

The Democratic National Committee is backing up that message with a new national cable TV ad.

Showing images of happy families, the announcer says, "Your family's care comes first....There's something in it for all of us."

While today's event isn't expected to be as raucous as the ones that members of Congress have been having -- including one that Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania is hosting this morning, where one man has already been escorted out and there has been shouting and heckling -- the president is prepared for some disruptions.

"I think what the president will do is turn to that person and probably ask them to be civilized and give them an answer to their question," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said on CBS' "The Early Show."

About 1,800 people are expected at Portsmouth High's gym for the town hall, scheduled to start at 1 p.m. EDT.

UPDATE: The White House just released some more information about the townhall, where it said Obama "will discuss what health insurance reform will mean for Americans who already have insurance, highlighting the consumer protections he laid out in recent weeks and focusing on ending denial of coverage based on preexisting conditions."

He will be introduced by a "real person" -- Lori Hitchcock, a 52-year-old, single, self-employed Portsmouth resident who was diagnosed with Hepatitis C in 2003. Because no insurance company will sell health coverage to her because of her pre-existing condition, she has been uninsured for two years, the White House said.

The White House release is below:

BACKGROUND ON THE PRESIDENT'S TRIP TO PORTSMOUTH, NEW HAMPSHIRE TODAY:

HEALTH CARE TOWN HALL
Portsmouth High School
1:00 pm EDT

Today, the President will conduct a town hall meeting on health insurance reform at Portsmouth High School in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. At the town hall, the President will discuss what health insurance reform will mean for Americans who already have insurance, highlighting the consumer protections he laid out in recent weeks and focusing on ending denial of coverage based on preexisting conditions. The President will be introduced by a Portsmouth resident, Lori Hitchcock, who has been denied health insurance due to her health condition. He will then deliver prepared remarks before answering questions from the audience.

Lori Hitchcock will introduce the President. Lori Hitchcock is a 52-year-old, single, self-employed Portsmouth resident who was diagnosed with Hepatitis C in 2003. No insurance company will sell health coverage to her because of her pre-existing condition and as a result she has been uninsured for 2 years. (There is a state program that would provide health insurance, however at $750/mo and a $500 deductible Lori is unable to afford this coverage.) While she continues her self-employment, she continues to look for a job that has health coverage (due to the state of the economy she is currently working temp jobs to make ends meet) but hasn't had any luck yet. Lori lost her husband in 2006 to Hepatitis C and is the mother of 2 grown children her daughter is currently raising her family in Portsmouth and her son is raising his family in Atlanta.
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Does Africa harbor AL Queda and other terrorists?
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no, but the inability of the african countries governments ability to control what goes on increases the threat of spreading terrorism. especially in the sub-saharan countries. do you know islam makes up like 45% of Africa's religion?

oh yeah Iraq is a reeeal threat to the US. what, did it take us all of like 4 months to beat them in the Gulf War? we lost like 100 troops, they lost something around 50,000.

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no, but we didnt go into Iraq in '03 because they invaded Kuwait did we?
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Did anybody ever happen to think what would have happened if Saddam did have WMD but we didnt act what would have happened? Better to be safe than sorry.
Now that's just silly. What's to stop us from invading Russia because there's some report out there that says Putin wants to destroy Michigan? Better to be safe than sorry!
We were all well aware of what happened on that Tuesday. Some of us kept it in mind so much that we weren't willing to sacrifice more American lives in a fruitless search that would further drive a wedge between us and the Middle East.
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