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Old 02-05-2003, 08:27 PM   #121
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universal owns interscope? It sure does.
huh, funny that. i always thought the two were seperate.

universal must be HUUGE.
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Old 02-05-2003, 08:28 PM   #122
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"To me you sound like an inexperienced colony official, who hasnīt learned how to deal with power yet"

"criminal president"

Come on now, your a lot smarter, respectful, and objective than these statements suggest.
Hmmmmmmm

Thank you. Its my pleasure to discuss with you. Sometimes, I must admit though, you just sound as if youīve ripped out your own heart.

Nice quotes. You picked out the best, and the most interesting ones, like always.
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Old 02-05-2003, 08:32 PM   #123
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universal must be HUUGE.
Yes, and Universal is owned by Vivendi, a large French media conglomerate.

Things just get bigger and bigger!

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Old 02-05-2003, 08:33 PM   #124
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Wrong! I never once said the word stupid! The suffer from a lack of opportunity and information because of dictatorships and poverty. It is not their fault as individuals.

As for the democracy's and people in them I DISPUTE SOME OF THEIR CONCLUSIONS, not their intelligence!

Please calm down, before you accuse me again of saying or implying something that I clearly did not.
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Wrong! I never once said the word stupid! The suffer from a lack of opportunity and information because of dictatorships and poverty. It is not their fault as individuals.

As for the democracy's and people in them I DISPUTE SOME OF THEIR CONCLUSIONS, not their intelligence!

Please calm down, before you accuse me again of saying or implying something that I clearly did not.
Iīm just reacting on your tone which displays your concept, officer

How can you say those people are not right when they think....(insert repetition here)? Because they have less education? Education doesnīt count here.

Say, you are on the street watching a scene: You see a mother who gives an apple to her child. The child just wants to bite the apple. This moment, a man comes, rips the apple away from the childs hands and goes off to put it into his car full of apples. The child doesnīt really need an A level to see whats wrong, y know.

You want to say, its not their fault if theyīre wrong, I say, sure, it wouldnīt be their fault if they were wrong, but actually theyīre right.
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Yes, and Universal is owned by Vivendi, a large French media conglomerate.

Things just get bigger and bigger!

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You could actually quarrel if Vivendi or Universal is the more powerful part of this conglomerate. And all those mergers happened because of Clinton!
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Iīm just reacting on your tone which displays your concept, officer

And last night when you implied I was a racist that was a reaction to what?

You have shown quite a bit of contempt yourself. Putting words in peoples mouths and twisting what they say.


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You could actually quarrel if Vivendi or Universal is bigger. And all that mergers happened because of Clinton!
Actually, Universal was owned by Seagram, which (I believe) was Canadian. I don't know if that is right, but I know Seagram wasn't an American company. Vivendi is French.

How would Clinton have been able to interfere with a foreign merger?

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And last night when you implied I was a racist that was a reaction to what?

You have shown quite a bit of contempt yourself. Putting words in peoples mouths and twisting what they say.


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Okey. If two people tell that to me, I may have exaggerated. I neither know when Iīve implied you were a racist, but if you say so, I trust you, you donīt have to prove it.

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HIPHOP,

I try not to put words in your mouth, please try to avoid doing the same to me.

When your ability to learn about the outside world is contained and obstructed as it is in a dictatorship, its difficult to get a realistic view of what is going on elsewhere. Its often not possible to speak their mind, especially when the dictators have a gun to your head.

You can believe that your views and theirs about American Foreign Policy are correct. I respect that. But I have a different point view and so do many other people.
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Old 02-05-2003, 09:28 PM   #131
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You can believe that your views and theirs about American Foreign Policy are correct. I respect that. But I have a different point view and so do many other people.
How about all those in Western Europe, or, say, even closer, in Canada? Are they suffering under a dictatorship?
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How about all those in Western Europe, or, say, even closer, in Canada? Are they suffering under a dictatorship?
Canada...they are not supporting us? Interesting.

Western Europe? All of Western Europe? Or France and Germany?

Nah...no dictatorship there....Just a lot of greed. But that couldn't cloud their judgement now could it?

Food for oil benefits...hmmmmmmm
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In addition, Iraq with the exception of Saudi Arabia, has the world largest oil reserves on the planet. This level of natural resource wealth is not something Germany or Japan had to draw on themselves. Ever "economic potential" study that has been done on Iraq since the 1970s has found that Iraq should be the wealthiest country in the region do to its natural resources which include the energy that can be derived from its rivers as well as its oil.
Iraq also has the greatest potential to be exploited economically by yet another American puppet government. The reason it's not the most wealthy country in the region is because of faulty leadership and domination of their recources by western countries. Germany and Japan were not economically exploitable because they had no vast native resources. These two countries did not require the socio-political revamping Iraq will need. Japan wasn't changed very much at all socially, and Germany was exploited politically. However, West Germany adopted a western style Federal Constitution soon after the war.


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Another factor though is the obvious effort that the USA can put into nation building that midigate the problems that Iraq faces in being a third world country. ... Economic development and politcal development of Iraq will happen as long as the necessary resources are invested to achieve those goals. The difficulties of building a new Iraq are not as bad as the difficulties and possibilities of a Saddam controlled Iraq armed in the future with nuclear weapons.
American domination of Iraq will not produce economic vitality for the country. It didn't happen while Saddam was a puppet, and the cycle will continue on. The difficulties of building a new Iraq should be left to the Iraqi people. Whether it takes years or generations, the Iraqis should be the people who decide on their government. America had a whole revolution about not being able to choose their government. This is a fairly similar situation.

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There are a lot of things Saddam is planning to do in the future, and he already has weapons that Germany and Japan never had. He is also in close proximity to most of the worlds energy supplies and does not need multi-continental aggression capability to threaten the world.
I didn't mean that Saddam wasn't as much of a threat as Japan or Germany or bring up nuclear weapons. I used that example to further differentiate the examples. However, I still don't believe Iraq has WoMD.

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Here at Free Your Mind, we try to remain objective and respectful of other peoples points of view. Characterizing me or my arguements as fallacy-ridden or absurd does not make it so and does nothing to prove or advance your own view points. Just like making and unbased claim that I am "ignorant of history", it is unnecessary in not in the spirit of this forum.
I'm sorry if my words were construed as personal attacks and I will avoid using such vocabulary again.
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Old 02-05-2003, 09:53 PM   #134
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Considering that war is an inevitability out of our control, I will be curious how the Iraqi people respond after Saddam is deposed.

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You know, STING2, this thread was about the nuclear options, but there are a row of other topics too, like "the average American consumer". You asked me to explain how you were betrayed. I therefore must have implied you were an average American consumer - which you are, maybe. Most average American consumers donīt have a family members who are part of 1% (to me, it seems the financial "elite" is more in the direction of 0,001%, but thats another story, and we donīt really need to discuss about that).

Some questions or arguments I posted remained unanswered. You can decide to look through this thread again, but you donīt have to waste your time either, we know each others views. The only topic where I actually realized your reaction on my post, was when you told me of that personal remark I made to provoke you a little.

I am happy, though, that you displayed a reaction. It showed me that you read my posts, at the very least.

As to your views, often contradicting mine: be assured that, even if we are not the same opinion, and therefore I donīt respect your opinion, I respect you as a person. I donīt think you really respect my opinion on American Foreign Policy, but I think you respect me personally, too.

Sometimes, though, we are going off the path that the Sermon of the Mount has shown us.

And now excuse me, I am just joking with a wonderful child.
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