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Old 02-17-2006, 03:37 PM   #16
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The beach ban has more to do with environmental damage than anything else.

dead fish with cigarette butts in their bellies
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Old 02-17-2006, 03:39 PM   #17
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The beach ban has more to do with environmental damage than anything else.

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Is banning an activity (smoking) the most rational way to prevent a byproduct of the activity (litter)?
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So do you support a full ban on smoking? What about alcohol then? It's harmful too. Where would you draw the line?

Walmart harms people too. Why do you support them? Just because it isn't as easy to see the cause and effect in that situation?
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So do you support a full ban on smoking? What about alcohol then? It's harmful too. Where would you draw the line?
I thought alcohol usually IS banned from public parks/beaches.

I support a ban on smoking in public areas. It's no different than various other bans/restrictions (alcohol, littering, indecent exposure, drugs, fishing, hunting, dogs). I don't really see what the big deal is or how it's any different just because more people tend to do it. The government has the right to inforce bans since the property in question belongs to the government. I don't care if people smoke in their own cars, yards, or homes.
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Is banning an activity (smoking) the most rational way to prevent a byproduct of the activity (litter)?
well it does make sense the closer to the beach someone leaves their butts the more likely they'll do harm. If you have to set a restriction to reduce the harm done that seems to be a good place to draw the line.

Of course living here we know that all storm drains lead to the ocean so no it doesn't solve the problem
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I thought alcohol usually IS banned from public parks/beaches.
I was actually referring to NB's statement that we should go all out and ban smoking from private homes too. I couldn't really tell if he was being serious about that one or not. I was wondering if he would support such a ban.

I'd also like to know to what extent he thinks the government should be able to interfere with our private lives in the name of safety and security.
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So do you support a full ban on smoking? What about alcohol then? It's harmful too. Where would you draw the line?
I wouldn’t consider a full ban on smoking a priority.

Drawing the line is another issue. Overall, the level of inconsistency in laws and regulations is measurable, but not to a degree that it creates a disruption in society.

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Wal-Mart harms people too. Why do you support them? Just because it isn't as easy to see the cause and effect in that situation?
That’s really a non-sequitor. I don’t recall any deaths from shopping or working at Wal-Mart. The idea that Wal-Mart harms people is good union propaganda though.
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That’s really a non-sequitor. I don’t recall any deaths from shopping or working at Wal-Mart. The idea that Wal-Mart harms people is good union propaganda though.


what about when Wal Mart sells guns to 14 year olds and they go out and shoot someone?
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I don't have much of a love for tobacco myself. If it didn't have 400 years of history on its side, it would likely be as banned as asbestos and DDT.

Interestingly, tobacco probably won't need to be banned on a federal level, because health insurance companies are doing a good job of that itself. More and more companies are now charging smokers more for health insurance than non-smokers, with the difference being often as much as $50 extra a month.

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I wouldn’t consider a full ban on smoking a priority.

Ok, so it's not a priority for you but you'd still suport a full ban?

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That’s really a non-sequitor.
I disagree. I think you're just avoiding the questions, as usual.
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Ok, so it's not a priority for you but you'd still suport a full ban?
No, I would not support a full ban.


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I disagree. I think you're just avoiding the questions, as usual.
Okay, I disagree with the statement that Walmart hurts people. I wasn't avoiding the question, I just thought it was bull
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The war on tobacco...
*which so many today seem to clap a yes*

Ten minutes with me in a closed garage smoking a cigar
or ten minutes with my SUV running ?

I'm tired of being told what will kill me.
Please let us know your plans are on how to live foreever.

Whatever happened to freedom?

Are we so ready to bow to a dictator?


Are we frogs slowly being brought to a boil?

*my thoughts do relate*


What do you think?
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Are we frogs slowly being brought to a boil?
In so many ways....
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why they can put any ahstray on the sidewalk?
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