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Old 06-23-2005, 03:12 PM   #16
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I have to say that I don't remember it at all as Rove claims. I remember the nation pulling together after 9/11.


you are right

90% approval rating afterall

look at the votes for Afgan War.

majority of Dems supported



Iraq is not related to 9/11 attack
the President has even said so.


but, they do blur the lines when they can
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Old 06-23-2005, 03:16 PM   #17
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turn on sean hannity radio

and listen to his callers
I understand...you're basing your indictment of Bush's constituents on a few people who call a talk show?

Do you think that most of us don't have memories?
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I have to say that I don't remember it at all as Rove claims. I remember the nation pulling together after 9/11.

Bush should whop him upside the head, but good.
Absolutely. On 9/11 we were Americans first, liberals and conservatives second. I vividly remember tuning in to the President's speech. I didn't give a damn which party he was from.
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I understand...you're basing your indictment of Bush's constituents on a few people who call a talk show?

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Republican Party Chairman Ken Mehlman, speaking in Puerto Rico, said there was no need to apologize because "what Karl Rove said is true."
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Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war. Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said we must understand our enemies.
I think that there is an element of truth to that; although the generalisations do not help much, just look at Robert Fisk or John Pilger; they don't just sympathise for the Islamist cause, they cheer for them. The cultural left itself seems to be on that wagon as well. It is unfair to label all liberals with that stroke but when dealing with "liberal" and "conservative" mentality they are each the most extreme parodies; every liberal is a postmodernist nihilistic communist sympathising atheist while every conservative is a bible thumping bigot who wants to turn the US into a bibliotheistic state.

But really if this type of dichotomy of liberal = sympathetic and understanding individual who searches for root causes treating terrorism as a strictly criminal matter while conservative = brash warmongers was used to bash conservatives then it wouldn't be an issue.
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Absolutely outrageous.
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I think that there is an element of truth to that; although the generalisations do not help much, just look at Robert Fisk or John Pilger; they don't just sympathise for the Islamist cause, they cheer for them. The cultural left itself seems to be on that wagon as well. It is unfair to label all liberals with that stroke but when dealing with "liberal" and "conservative" mentality they are each the most extreme parodies; every liberal is a postmodernist nihilistic communist sympathising atheist while every conservative is a bible thumping bigot who wants to turn the US into a bibliotheistic state.

But really if this type of dichotomy of liberal = sympathetic and understanding individual who searches for root causes treating terrorism as a strictly criminal matter while conservative = brash warmongers was used to bash conservatives then it wouldn't be an issue.
This is a big problem. What an over simplification...
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It's so hard to think of a comment on this, even though I want to reply.

After 9/11, (and especially on the day) I was crossing my fingers in hope that we would exercise a bit of caution and make certain who the attackers were before jumping all over the (perhaps wrong) suspects. Feelings were running very high after the attacks. When a nation is being driven by emotion, mistakes can happen.

I am glad to say that, despite any anxieties, America's response and actions were appropriate. Right up until a certain jackass (who need not be identified, but his name rhymes with push) got us into a unrelated war with a not-9/11-attacker nation on thouroughly suspicious grounds.

And the liberals were right on one of the points Rove was whining about. We have to understand (and I believe 'understanding of' and not 'understanding for' was what was actually meant; Rove has twisted that) the motives of the attackers and the motives of other terrorists, in order to 1) Identify the greatest threats to our nation, and 2) Attempt to learn from our mistakes and try to piss people off less so that maybe they won't want us all dead....I mean, like, duh.

Besides, I suspect that Rove's comments were in direct response to Durbin's controversial remarks. (This is almost funny: Washington has become the third grade playground. "You're a stupid head!" "No, YOU'RE a stupid head!" "Republicans eat boogers!" "Democrats eat DOG boogers!!" "You're ugly!" "So's your mother!")
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I'm tired of these claims that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Excuse me, it was the Taliban, a force that didn't like Saddam and regularly accused him of being an infidel.
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Karl rove can kiss my skinny white ass.
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is anyone actually surprised that Karl Rove -- a man who has won campaigns in Texas by spreading rumors that Ann Richards was a lesbian or that other political opponents ... the name esecapes me, but it was detailed in a great Atlantic Monthly article last year ... known for their work with children were actually pedophiles -- would stoop to this level?

i think this actually a good thing, from a political standpoint. it's so outrageous, so false, and such a blatant exploitation of the worst act of terrorism in history, that your average Joe Swing Voter is going to be turned off by an ugly, pasty Mr. Potato Head in a suit tubthumping a bogus political message while the public cools on Iraq and the bodies continue to pile up.

Rove is an evil genius, a brain in a jar. but, hopefully, he's sewing the seeds of destruction for the Republican hegemony he's created on the absolute worst of political tactics.

(no, the Democrats aren't necessarily better people, they're just not as good at sliming people as Rove and Co.)
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