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Old 11-02-2006, 07:09 PM   #106
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I agree with MrsS that it will mobilize disillusioned Republicans to vote next week.

That and announcing Saddam Hussein's deathy penalty verdict this coming Monday...a November Surprise this year lol.
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It doesn't bother me if it affects Kerry's '08 chances. I want a candidate who didn't already biff his or her chance.
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Old 11-03-2006, 03:51 PM   #108
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The last thing anybody needs is John Kerry running for President in 2008. Doesn't stand a chance. Thankfully.
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The only good thing to come out of this entire thing is he's less likley to run in '08. Not that I foresaw him being the nominee, but still.

I heard the Bush jokes from the White House media dinner and it irks me that such an issue wasn't made out of those. Those were far more offensive than any botched lame joke of Kerry's.
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I heard the Bush jokes from the White House media dinner and it irks me that such an issue wasn't made out of those. Those were far more offensive than any botched lame joke of Kerry's.


And honestly, what politician HASN'T said something dumb or ill-advised along the line?

If you can think of one, just give them time. It'll come. You know why? They're human.
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Leave it Billmon to have the best insight on this:

http://billmon.org/

The Joke's On Us
One of the overlooked ironies of John Kerry's "botched" joke was that under the Cheney Administration's glorious leadership in the Iraq War, what Kerry actually said -- that smart kids go to college and dumb kids end up stuck in Iraq -- is also on its way to becoming true: http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=121072

"Lowered standards have hardly remained the property of privateers these days. As Brad Knickerbocker of the Christian Science Monitor noted, "The Army has had to recruit more soldiers from the ‘lowest acceptable' category based on test scores, education levels, personal background, and other indicators of ability." Even Undersecretary of Defense Chu admitted in July that almost 40% of all military recruits scored in the bottom half of the Armed Forces' own aptitude test.

"Other how-low-can-you-go indicators of the military's desperation are now regularly surfacing in news reports. Here are two examples:

"Last year, the New York Times reported that two Ohio recruiters were quick to sign up a recruit "fresh from a three-week commitment in a psychiatric ward… even after the man's parents told them he had bipolar disorder -- a diagnosis that would disqualify him." After senior officers found out, the mentally ill man's enlistment was canceled, but in "[i]nterviews with more than two dozen recruiters in 10 states," the Times heard others talk of "concealing mental-health histories and police records," among other illicit practices.

"In May of this year, the Oregonian reported that Army recruiters, using hard sell tactics and offering thousands of dollars in enlistment bonus money, signed up an autistic teenager "for the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout." The boy, who had been enrolled in "special education classes since preschool" and through "a special program for disabled workers…ha[d] a part-time job scrubbing toilets and dumping trash," didn't even know the U.S. was at war in Iraq until his parents explained it to him after he was first approached by a recruiter. Only following a flurry of negative publicity, did the Army announce that it would release the autistic teen from his enlistment obligation."
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And honestly, what politician HASN'T said something dumb or ill-advised along the line?

If you can think of one, just give them time. It'll come. You know why? They're human.
This whole thing drives me crazy. Kerry is a buffoon, but this wasn't dumb; it wasn't ill-advised; it wasn't even a botched joke, really. It was a mis-statement.

He left off the word "us." "If you don't get educated, you'll get 'us' stuck in Iraq," referring to Bush.

But Kerry's so stiff he can't correct himself on the fly. And when he tries to explain what he meant, he makes it worse by saying it was a botched joke!

The botched joke apology sounds as if he MEANT to insult the troops, but it was a "just a joke" in bad taste y'know? Like..."yer gaining a little weight aren't you? Just kidding!" or "Soldiers are stupid, but it was just a joke....sorry."

Unbelievable. Now all these good people who don't really follow politics nor understand why Kerry would never in a MILLION years do this —with the help of right wing blowhards feigning indignation — think Kerry really hates the troops.

It's sick. And all these AM radio hacks are snickering behind their venom because they know the truth. But they also know their audience doesn't. And they'll exploit that for days.
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:25 AM   #113
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SO if thats what it really was, why didn't he just say that? Because hes now trying to cover his arse!! I would hae had 10X more respect for someone who could just apologize and move on. ore like a botched apology if you ask me.
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:34 AM   #114
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Re: If you're in the military, you're stupid.

Kerry needs to get the hell out of the limelight and keep his yap shut. Honestly, this guy had his shot against one of the worst governments in US history and blew it completely.

He's only doing harm to the Dems hanging around making the odd over-publicised blunder.

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Did anyone see "Family Guy" on Sunday evening?

The show actually pulled the off "joke" Kerry failed at.

I haven't heard ANY Republican backlash from the show.
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Bruce sent me this e-mail Today we will see...

Insulting Our Troops, and Our Intelligence, by Thomas L. Friedman
New York Times, November 3, 2006

George Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld think you're stupid. Yes, they do.

They think they can take a mangled quip about President Bush and Iraq by John Kerry -- a man who is not even running for office but who, unlike Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, never ran away from combat service -- and get you to vote against all Democrats in this election.

Every time you hear Mr. Bush or Mr. Cheney lash out against Mr. Kerry, I hope you will say to yourself, "They must think I'm stupid." Because they surely do.

They think that they can get you to overlook all of the Bush team's real and deadly insults to the U.S. military over the past six years by hyping and exaggerating Mr. Kerry's mangled gibe at the president.

What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to the U.S. military than to send it into combat in Iraq without enough men -- to launch an invasion of a foreign country not by the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force, but by the Rumsfeld Doctrine of just enough troops to lose? What could be a bigger insult than that?

What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in uniform than sending them off to war without the proper equipment, so that some soldiers in the field were left to buy their own body armor and to retrofit their own jeeps with scrap metal so that roadside bombs in Iraq would only maim them for life and not kill them? And what could be more injurious and insulting than Don Rumsfeld's response to criticism that he sent our troops off in haste and unprepared: Hey, you go to war with the army you've got -- get over it.

What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in uniform than to send them off to war in Iraq without any coherent postwar plan for political reconstruction there, so that the U.S. military has had to assume not only security responsibilities for all of Iraq but the political rebuilding as well? The Bush team has created a veritable library of military histories -- from "Cobra II" to "Fiasco" to "State of Denial" -- all of which contain the same damning conclusion offered by the very soldiers and officers who fought this war: This administration never had a plan for the morning after, and we've been making it up -- and paying the price -- ever since.

And what could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in Iraq than to send them off to war and then go out and finance the very people they're fighting against with our gluttonous consumption of oil? Sure, George Bush told us we're addicted to oil, but he has not done one single significant thing -- demanded higher mileage standards from Detroit, imposed a gasoline tax or even used the bully pulpit of the White House to drive conservation -- to end that addiction. So we continue to finance the U.S. military with our tax dollars, while we finance Iran, Syria, Wahhabi mosques and Al Qaeda madrassas with our energy purchases.

Everyone says that Karl Rove is a genius. Yeah, right. So are cigarette companies. They get you to buy cigarettes even though we know they cause cancer. That is the kind of genius Karl Rove is. He is not a man who has designed a strategy to reunite our country around an agenda of renewal for the 21st century -- to bring out the best in us. His "genius" is taking some irrelevant aside by John Kerry and twisting it to bring out the worst in us, so you will ignore the mess that the Bush team has visited on this country.

And Karl Rove has succeeded at that in the past because he was sure that he could sell just enough Bush cigarettes, even though people knew they caused cancer. Please, please, for our country's health, prove him wrong this time.

Let Karl know that you're not stupid. Let him know that you know that the most patriotic thing to do in this election is to vote against an administration that has -- through sheer incompetence -- brought us to a point in Iraq that was not inevitable but is now unwinnable.

Let Karl know that you think this is a critical election, because you know as a citizen that if the Bush team can behave with the level of deadly incompetence it has exhibited in Iraq -- and then get away with it by holding on to the House and the Senate -- it means our country has become a banana republic. It means our democracy is in tatters because it is so gerrymandered, so polluted by money, and so divided by professional political hacks that we can no longer hold the ruling party to account.

It means we're as stupid as Karl thinks we are.

I, for one, don't think we're that stupid. Next Tuesday we'll see.
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"They think they can take a mangled quip about President Bush and Iraq by John Kerry -- a man who is not even running for office but who, unlike Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, never ran away from combat service -- and get you to vote against all Democrats in this election."

Exactly. His point was government/Bush, not the soldiers themselves.
But Republicans have a strong PR machine so Kerry lost in 2004 and they turn everything, including 9/11, in their benefit.
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Old 11-28-2006, 09:35 AM   #118
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I don't believe there's any direct correlation to that remark, I think that's just one thing among many others that make people feel that way about him

(AP) A Quinnipiac University "Thermometer Poll" was released Monday. The poll asks respondents to rank the warmth of their feelings for a particular politican on a scale of 0-100.

The top three and bottom three politicans in the ranking are listed below

Bottom three:

18) Sen. Bill Frist - 41.5

19) Sen. Harry Reid - 41.2

20) Sen. John Kerry - 39.6

Top three:

1) Rudolph Giuliani - 64.2

2) Sen. Barack Obama 58.8

3) Sen. John McCain 57.7

Full List:

1) Rudolph Giuliani - 64.2.
2) Sen. Barack Obama 58.8
3) Sen. John McCain 57.7
4) Condoleezza Rice - 56.1
5) Bill Clinton - 55.8
6) Sen. Joseph Lieberman - 52.7
7) NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg - 51.1
8) John Edwards - 49.9
9) Sen. Hillary Clinton - 49
10) N.M. Gov. Bill Richardson - 47.7
11) Sen. Joseph Biden 47
12) Nancy Pelosi 46.9
13) Gov. Mitt Romney - 45.9
14) Former VP Al Gore - 44.9
15) President George Bush - 43.8
16) Sen. Evan Bayh - 43.3
17) Newt Gingrich - 42
18) Sen. Bill Frist - 41.5
19) Sen. Harry Reid - 41.2
20) Sen. John Kerry - 39.6
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I have a real soft spot for Harry Reid. But this isn't the thread for that.
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