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Old 03-13-2004, 12:08 PM   #61
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so... their up to 200 deaths...

and it looks it wasn't ETA... some other group did it...
ETA already called and said they didn't do it...

Who did it?
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crys Re: Re: NOW can you understand us???

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Some say that in order to stop them; we must go down to the root of the problem, to understand why are they doing it. But how can one understand an intentional killing of innocence people? Nothing justifies it.
You are right. We must not stoop to their level. No decent human being can comprehend the thought processes of terrorists. It makes no sense; if they're making a statement, do they really believe killing innocent civilians will rally the masses to their causes?!

I am sickened that this is still happening, escalating in fact. All it is is total, depraved evil. Has the human race learned nothing from history?

So far, the most humane solution seems to be the covert military actions to go after the terrorists and not harm innocent civilians. Unfortunately, that takes a lot of time, personell and money. And in the meanwhile, the terrorists will kill again and again.
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well, at least they arrested 5 people today
so this might at least shed some light on the question: why?
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The five people arrested are Muslims. Three are from Morocco, and two are Spaniards of Indian descent. There's not any more information, but I'll bet they are Wahhabists who want to screw Spain because it's Europe and a U.S. ally. It doesn't seem to be clear if there is an Al Qaeda connection.
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Were doing it for god knows how long. It may have reduced the number of the attacks at times, but it never really stopped them. The sad truth is that if the terrorists really want to carry out an attack, eventually theyll manage to do so.

Some say that in order to stop them; we must go down to the root of the problem, to understand why are they doing it. But how can one understand an intentional killing of innocence people? Nothing justifies it. Terrorists killed people that I knew, dear dear people, but Im not going around trying to blow up Palestinians.

Maybe with the Palestinians and us a peace agreement will solve things out (although now it seems light years away). But regarding al-queada, its hard to see any solution. As long as theyll keep holding to their ideology, what can stop them from carrying out attacks?
My deepest smpathies, for your loss, Sarit.
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My heart goes out to the people of Spain and everyone else living where daily terror is a way of life. I think peace is something a lot of us take for granted.
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I have a meeting tomorrow with a guy from ISER - the people that provided the evacuation training for the Sydney Olympics. It will be interesting to get his opinion on Madrid.
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My thoughts are with the families who have been affected by this terrible tragedy.
I can't watch this on the news some of the images are very upsetting.
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The five people arrested are Muslims. Three are from Morocco, and two are Spaniards of Indian descent. There's not any more information, but I'll bet they are Wahhabists who want to screw Spain because it's Europe and a U.S. ally. It doesn't seem to be clear if there is an Al Qaeda connection.
They could just as well be ordinary people who were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The 'opinion' of the Spanish government troubles me. I have the feeling they point at ETA because that might win them some more votes, while an Al Qaida connection could cost them. Call me a cynic I guess.
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They could just as well be ordinary people who were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The 'opinion' of the Spanish government troubles me. I have the feeling they point at ETA because that might win them some more votes, while an Al Qaida connection could cost them. Call me a cynic I guess.
Well considering the fact that they had an election today I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was some politics involved. In fact some people had some anti-government demonstrations today claiming that the politicians weren't telling them everything.
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The 'opinion' of the Spanish government troubles me. I have the feeling they point at ETA because that might win them some more votes, while an Al Qaida connection could cost them. Call me a cynic I guess.
I guess I'm also a cynic then. The Popular party definitely have something to lose by saying the attacks could have been the work of al Qaeda. It's not really suprising that they were very quick to blame ETA, despite ETA's denial of responsibility and the other indicators that it might have been al Qaeda.
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The latest election news is that the Socialists seem to have a slight lead over the Popular party.

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Spain's opposition Socialist party appears to be taking the lead in the general election with 30% of votes counted, exit polls show.
The Socialists have won 44% of the vote while the Popular Party has garnered 36%, reports say.
More at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3511280.stm
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Update: The Socialist party have won.

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Spain's ruling Popular Party has admitted an unexpected defeat in the country's general election with almost all the votes counted.
The Socialists won 43% of the vote while the centre-right Popular Party has garnered 38%, reports say.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3511280.stm
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It's disturbing to see how the right bomb at the right time can sway an election.
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It's disturbing to see how the right bomb at the right time can sway an election.
Isn't that the truth.

It will be interesting to see what stance the Socialists take towards the US and the coalition. Spain may be on its way out...
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