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Old 03-11-2004, 06:44 PM   #31
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If it's al-Qaeda, though, why Spain? It seems that the Basque group is more likely, given the political climate.



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If it's al-Qaeda, though, why Spain? It seems that the Basque group is more likely, given the political climate.

That's what I want to know. There's some news on the atrocity on some of the Spanish sites and they are all blaming the Basque group.
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I heard that it might have been Al-Queda because Spain's part of the "coalition of the willing" that invaded Iraq with us.
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Old 03-11-2004, 06:54 PM   #34
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there are a lot of people who aren't convinced it was an eta attack because there are a lot of differences between this incident and other eta attacks. eta have normally attacked either tourist areas (to damage the tourist industry) or police and military targets (ie political targets). they also often give a warning before attacks and there was no warning of this one. of course there are also some people suggeting this mgiht be the work of eta's "youth wing" which reportedly advocates more violent tactics.

who knows. it's just horrifying.
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I thought about it being a result of Spain being part of the "coalition of the willing". This scares the out of me. Who's next, Poland? I have famiily in Italy. God forbid..........
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Supposedly a letter claiming responsiblity on behalf of Al Qaeda was sent to a newspaper based in London. According to some news organisations it claimed that Spain was targeted because of their support for the "war on Islam." This story seems to vary between different news organisations so it might not be strictly accurate.
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Old 03-11-2004, 07:51 PM   #37
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God bless the victims and their families...
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Also Spanish authorities are investigating a van which was found outside of Madrid containing detonators along with an Arabic tape with Koranic teachings. This is a much bigger blast than any previous ETA attack. The worst ETA attack killed 21 people in 1987. However, Al Qaeda is also claiming responsibility for a suicide bombing of a Masonic Lodge in Istanbul Tuesday. This is being denied by Turkish authorities. They blame fundamentalists but not Al Qaeda.
Honestly, this is never going to stop.
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Prayers to all who lost a loved one.

Prayers for peace
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This sucks! More or less I'm responding since I'm of Spanish ancestry. WTF is the point of killing?? I'm lost.
My condolences go out to the folks who have lost loves ones on this horrible day
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Old 03-12-2004, 03:33 AM   #41
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NOW can you understand us???

As an Israeli and as a human being I was horrified to see the scenes of carnage in Madrid when the cowardly sons-of-bitches butchered 200 innocent people.

My deepest sympathys go to the Spanish people who have joined the Al-Quaida "hit list".

It reminded me of the scenes that I see all-too-often here either in Tel-Aviv or in Jerusalem, where innocents are slaughtered brutally by muslim terrorists who use G-d as an excuse to spread their vile poison.

The only way to deal with terrorism is to root it out, go after them ruthlessly and deal with them on their own level - whether its by military means (like we do all the time) or by hi-tech methods (like the Americans are doing).

The bastard Bin Laden and his monsterous co-horts will be caught and dealt with when the time comes, and if by chance he eludes capture, he will NEVER escape the justice of allmighty G-d who will see to it that he pays for every single innocent drop of blood that he's spilled during his reign of terror.

I hope the world can now see what and who WE have been dealing with for years and can finally understand that our fight on terrorism is necessary and they must be brought down BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE.
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I agree wholeheartedly with you in that the best millitary solution is not bombs and tanks but more covert operations designed to decapitate leadership without harming civilians. The IDF for all the flak it recieves from some elements of the media is arguably the best millitary force in the world, it conducts operations properly and really minimizes civilian casualties in situations that could very easily get out of hand.

It is also important to realize that innocent Israelis and Palestinians are victims of the corrupt and inherently flawed vision that these fundamentalists present of a world divided and destined for a final battle, we must all take a step back and learn to sympathise for both sides in this awful conflict. For the innocents on both sides who are killed by stray bullets or homocide bomber's, for those who's human rights are suppresed in the name of religion or state security. Ultimately unless we can learn too unite against this common threat to humanity as a whole we will continue to loose lives and understanding, take a stand and say no to terrorism and yes to a real and lasting peace that is not enforced by great millitary powers or the threat of nuclear apocalypse but by mutual respect for human life, freedom and the differences that make it interesting.
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i don't like this

i hate extremists and i don't like terrorists


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This came from BBC:

"This is our 9/11" is a common feeling in Madrid and across the country as Spaniards awake the morning after the devastating bomb attacks on trains in the capital.
Spain's 11-M, as many of the papers here have dubbed Thursday's "Day of Infamy", has shocked the people of Spain to the core.

Government ministers have announced three days of mourning and walking through the streets of Madrid you can almost feel the weight of the shroud on the city's shoulders.

The imposing Atocha train station, where 198 people were killed in two explosions, has become a focus for people's grief and sheer disbelief at the scale of what had happened.

More people have now died in the blasts than in any other attack on Spanish soil since the Civil War in 1936. There are more victims than in the nightclub attack in Bali in 2002.

'Barbarism'

Outside Atocha Station, couples and friends walk slowly past, some leaving flowers or lighting candles, others just stopping to look as security services and rail workers continue their investigations.

"I came to see where it happened, to share the intensity of the situation," said builder Jose Manuel Gonzalez, 46.

It could have been me, it could have been him

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"It just makes you feel so angry that you can't stop these fanatics. They have no love in their hearts, no love for themselves.

"Now we know how the Americans felt inside in 2001."

Another passer-by muttered quietly, "It is sheer barbarism."

But the attack has not cowed the spirit of the Madrilenos, who say they still feel safe in their city.

"It could have been me, it could have been him, but it's something you can't really prevent and it could happen anywhere," said quality technician Juan Luis Picotoso, 30.

His friend Pablo Permuja, 24, places a placard at one of the make-shift shrines outside the station with the slogan: "With the victims, with the Constitution and against terrorism" - the same message that is expected to be reinforced by thousands of people at a demonstration on Friday night.

"It makes you feel impotent, sad, angry and wanting revenge," said the student. "But it doesn't make me feel less safe. The police do a good job."

In the hours of stunned disbelief that followed the blasts, evening television programmes ran phone-ins with distressed witnesses, victims and others affected by the tragedy.

Night-time radio stations tried to offer some comfort in their playlists.

The choice of Bob Dylan's Knocking on Heaven's Door, Eric Clapton's Tears in Heaven followed by U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday may seem a crass choice to outsiders, but the emotional DJs simply tried to offer comfort and vent the emotions others struggled to put into words.

Nightmare vision

Friday morning's papers relived the nightmare of the previous day, personal accounts and descriptions reinforced by graphic images of the carnage.

"In 10 metres around me there was not one complete human body, only remains," said one medical worker investigating the scene of one explosion at Atocha.


There were howls of anguish from the Spanish papers
"Yesterday's date will remain a black day in the memory of Spaniards and Europeans," said El Pais newspaper.

"This country has just experienced a form of terrorism of which the dimension and cruelty has not been seen here before."

Speculation about who is behind the attack, be it the Basque separatist group Eta or al-Qaeda, continues.

The paper suggests that if it is the latter, provoked by Spain's support for the war in Iraq, "that cannot help but sow a deep discomfort".

El Razon, with the simple headline "11-M", says that "in the midst of the pain and anger, while the soul suffers feelings of vengeance, we can only shout that they will not defeat us, they will not achieve anything, ever, against freedom".

El Mundo repeats the words of Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar - that "this 11 March will be known as the Day of Infamy" and will remain as 11-M in the memory of all Spaniards.

"M for Madrid, M for Muerte [death] and M for martyrdom which cries out for justice for the spilt blood."

ABC says nothing will be the same again.

"The worst has happened," it says.

Few smiles

"Madrid, like New York, Jerusalem, Baghdad and Karbala, has suffered its own terrorist holocaust and from now on nothing will be as it was before."

As the television stations report updates of victims in the hospitals, where there are still a number of critical patients, and re-run images of the day, the city is getting back to work.

There are few smiles on the streets and heads go up at the sound of a siren.

Shops and trains are due to stop work at midday for 15 minutes as a mark of respect.

Then thousands are expected to take to the streets around Spain in a demonstration for peace at 1900.
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I'm going to merge this with the Madrid bombing thread.
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