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Old 03-23-2004, 07:52 PM   #136
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Come on. There is plenty of commentary on US policy by non-US citizens. I'm sure you've made a comment or two as well. The courtesy should be extended to US citizens commenting on other countries as well.
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I no longer believe it is appeasement.....

I believe it may be POLITICS

[Q]Spain's New Leader May Send More Troops to Afghanistan
By KATRIN BENNHOLD,
International Herald Tribune

Published: March 23, 2004


ADRID, March 23 In a move that might help muffle criticism of a Socialist pledge to pull troops out of Iraq, Spain's incoming prime minister is considering increasing the number of Spanish soldiers guarding the fragile peace in Afghanistan, sources in his party said today.[/Q]
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/in...partner=GOOGLE
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Maybe it's politics, but I'm not opposed to troops in Afghanistan, so some good is happening.
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I no longer believe it is appeasement.....

I believe it may be POLITICS

[Q]Spain's New Leader May Send More Troops to Afghanistan
By KATRIN BENNHOLD,
International Herald Tribune

Published: March 23, 2004


ADRID, March 23 In a move that might help muffle criticism of a Socialist pledge to pull troops out of Iraq, Spain's incoming prime minister is considering increasing the number of Spanish soldiers guarding the fragile peace in Afghanistan, sources in his party said today.[/Q]
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/in...partner=GOOGLE
Spains new government has always been for withdrawing troops from Iraq. What was appeasement was the voters choosing this new government after the bombing as way of stopping further Al Quada attacks on the country.

Al Quada clearly planned to knock out the PP government and they succeeded. The new government is probably trying to find away to respond to the criticism, with the considered increase of Spanish troops in Afghanistan.
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Spains new government has always been for withdrawing troops from Iraq. What was appeasement was the voters choosing this new government after the bombing as way of stopping further Al Quada attacks on the country.

Al Quada clearly planned to knock out the PP government and they succeeded. The new government is probably trying to find away to respond to the criticism, with the considered increase of Spanish troops in Afghanistan.
Nobody here is criticising Zapatero's position, people are happy with what he is doing and there is an air of optimism.

Unless of course he is browsing FYM and now feels really bad about what he's done.
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Nobody here is criticising Zapatero's position, people are happy with what he is doing and there is an air of optimism.

Unless of course he is browsing FYM and now feels really bad about what he's done.
I was talking about criticism from abroad not in Spain. There was a demonstration by 5,000 people in Madrid against the new government though, so it is incorrect to say that Zapatero is free of any criticism in Spain itself.
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Why on earth would Zapatero bow to pressure from the US? Spain had a government that did so and they were punished for it.

Yes Sting, there was a protest by 5000 people outside the PP office. Between Madrid and Barcelona alone, 3 million people marched against the war in Iraq.

I could easily find you 5000 thousand people that wish Franco were still in power.
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The pre-election polls say something completely different.
1. Those polls were carried out 1 week before the election

2. The exit polls on every major network on March 14 gave the PP a minority government.

3. The PSOE won.

Tells you something about polls, doesn't it?
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Tells you something about polls, doesn't it?
Yea, the power of a terrorist attack....
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Yea, the power of a terrorist attack....
And this would affect the accuracy of exit polls how exactly?
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Why on earth would Zapatero bow to pressure from the US? Spain had a government that did so and they were punished for it.

Yes Sting, there was a protest by 5000 people outside the PP office. Between Madrid and Barcelona alone, 3 million people marched against the war in Iraq.

I could easily find you 5000 thousand people that wish Franco were still in power.
It should also be noted that 37.6% of voters still voted for the PP which did not want to withdraw troops from Iraq.
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The problem with the appeasment argument is that you could very well argue the same thing about Canada, for example. Canada didn't send troops, therefore are they appeasing terrorists too?

It all comes back to the same thing, to the same idiotic rhetoric, the same simplified, 2-dimensional world of George Bush, "you're with us or against us." It's that simple, it's black and white. It's my way or nothing.

How nice to live in such a simple world.
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And this would affect the accuracy of exit polls how exactly?
Hmmm, one wonders doesn't one?
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The problem with the appeasment argument is that you could very well argue the same thing about Canada, for example. Canada didn't send troops, therefore are they appeasing terrorists too?

It all comes back to the same thing, to the same idiotic rhetoric, the same simplified, 2-dimensional world of George Bush, "you're with us or against us." It's that simple, it's black and white. It's my way or nothing.

How nice to live in such a simple world.
Canada was not bombed, Spain was. Many spanish voters in reaction to the bombing voted for the opposition in government that would pull troops out of Iraq in the hopes that that would appease Al Quada and prevent any more bombings from them.

Canada did not send troops to Iraq because of its differences over policy with the coaltion in regards to Iraq, not because they feared they would get bombed if they did.
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What exactly were the Spanish peoples' motives for marching against the war in Iraq then?

The Canadian government listened to what it's people wanted. Canada wanted consensus at the UN. They didn't want to be a part of unilateral action against Iraq.

If the PP had listened to the people of Spain and not supported Bush, what would you say?

Your still talking in the same line. With Bush or with the terrorists.
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