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Old 10-16-2009, 09:46 AM   #136
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I've just given up.
That makes two of us here.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:03 AM   #137
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I just hope others don't follow your footsteps if they do and give up too soon, then the racists and sexist of your movement will win...
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:49 PM   #138
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I feel like we're not nearly angry enough about this.

Over 60% of the country want some form of legitimate public healthcare. Unless the House gets their way, we won't get it.

These insurance companies don't give a shit about anyone's health, if they had their way, they'd continue denying people coverage for any and every reason. They just denied a baby because according to them he was obese which, according to them, is a pre-existing condition. When the media tore them apart, they covered the baby. But even then IT WAS A PR DECISION, NOT A HEALTHCARE DECISION! IT WAS STILL ABOUT PROTECTING PROFIT. Yes, if the proposed bill is signed, it will be illegal to deny people for pre-existing conditions, but that hardly changes the fact that many, many of our elected officials - and I'm talking about Democrats here, Republicans are a lost cause - are still letting this industry, these companies that would rather watch babies be sick than risk losing money, dictate healthcare policy via holding past and future campaign contributions over their heads. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE. So many of our elected officials are not making their decisions based on the wishes of their constituents, but based on what will guarantee that their next campaign will be financed. If this isn't the very definition of corrupt government, I don't know what is. Now, is this new? Of course not. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be furious about it.

If that isn't bad enough, the Democratic leaders - Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc - also want to simply 'win' so bad that they're willing to 'win' with a watered down bill. They'd rather make the layup than miss the three.

And I'm sorry, BVS, but I just can't believe that incremental change is the answer. If/when the private healthcare industry is finally put out on its ass, it won't be incremental, it will be a sweeping, dramatic change.

Healthcare reform was supposed to be about giving us more choice. Because the spineless congress has catered to the health insurance industry's wishes, we could end up with a bill that has no public element of any kind, and that forces people who already have health insurance to keep it rather than switch to a better alternative if one becomes available. That sounds like the opposite of 'more choice' to be. The only thing of any significance this bill, if it is signed, will do for us is make it illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions and, frankly, I'm shocked the industry hasn't been screaming and bitching and crying about that to congress in recent weeks.

I just feel like this whole healthcare thing is highlighting and magnifying everything that's work with Washington.

We should be angrier.
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He is consistent in that, I'll give him that. He obviously does not think women stack up to men in almost any regard, particularly intellectually.
The women that I work with and socialize with and call friends and acquaintances and peers don't stack up to Rush Limbaugh intellectually.

He's lagging way behind.
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Them womenfolk should really stop caring about their fellow human beings. And God knows Olympia Snowe can't think for herself and reach an informed and intelligent decision.
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Old 10-28-2009, 02:55 PM   #141
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Saw this and just had to post if for all of those compassion conservatives who love insurance companies

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Aren't you one of the ones who complain about conservatives only preaching what Jesus taught when it's convenient?

In any case, a majority of conservatives I know agree that turning people away because of pre-existing conditions is unacceptable, so don't act like that's just a liberal point...
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:15 PM   #143
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Aren't you one of the ones who complain about conservatives only preaching what Jesus taught when it's convenient?
And your point?

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In any case, a majority of conservatives I know agree that turning people away because of pre-existing conditions is unacceptable, so don't act like that's just a liberal point...
Well this is actually good thing that came out of the healthcare debate. If you look back at the universal healthcare debates we had in here a few years ago or listened to conservative talk radio a year ago this is exactly what they were preaching. If they can't afford it or they aren't a citizen then why are we admitting them, why are we giving them healthcare? Now Hannity is actually saying he supports some kind of plan that gives healthcare to those who truly can't afford it... baby steps I guess.
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In any case, a majority of conservatives I know agree that turning people away because of pre-existing conditions is unacceptable, so don't act like that's just a liberal point...

Conservatives, Hannity, Beck, Rush and the like are all arguing for maintaining Insurance Companies bottom line.

Yes, they have opened up their underwriting a bit these days. I have been able to buy insurance for the first time in about 25 years. My premium is $560 a month and my annual deductible is $2400.

This open enrollment only became available to me because of the threat of serious health care reform.

Once that goes away, they will start cherry picking again and exclude people like myself with pre-existing conditions or price me out of the market.


I have many conservative members in my family with children. When my nieces and nephews are in the 30s in a few years and they have no ins. or can not afford it.
They will have people like you and their parents to blame for putting a partisan victory against Obama first,
over helping themselves and their own children.



To be honest, this reminds me a bit of the people that were so agianst Bush, they seemed to want the Iraq War to fail and the U S soldiers to be driven out so Bush would not have a chance to have any kind of a success on his record.
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To be honest, this reminds me a bit of the people that were so agianst Bush, they seemed to want the Iraq War to fail and the U S soldiers to be driven out so Bush would not have a chance to have any kind of a success on his record.
I agree. I often felt that some had this attitude.
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I love that, "Super Bowl Of Freedom". What's the halftime show? Are there muscular men in really tight pants?

Bachmann wants you in D.C. for 'Super Bowl of Freedom'

By Ken Ronnan | Published Wed, Nov 4 2009 3:24 pm

Rep. Michele Bachmann, D-Minn., appeared on Fox News asking people from across America to join her at the steps of the U.S. Capitol in Washington Thursday at noon to make a "house call" before Congress votes on health-care reform.

Bachmann wants to rally all "freedom loving Americans" to go into the congressional office buildings, look into the whites of their representatives' eyes and tell them they have to vote no on the reform.

"This is the Super Bowl of Freedom this week. Socialized medicine is the crown jewel of socialism. This will change our country forever," Bachmann said.

YouTube - FOX & Friends: Rep. Michele Bachmann - Thursday Protest Will Be "Super Bowl of Freedom"
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She uses the word freedom a lot, but not one single word about healthcare itself. That pretty much sums up the Republican stance doesn't it? Empty words but no content.
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Freedom is an "empty" word now?
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Freedom is an "empty" word now?
ALL words are empty if they don't have action backing them up... Have you read the Republican's version of the healthcare bill? It's the opposite of freedom. You like the words but your platforms often are against it. Yesterday you celebrated the fact that you denied gay people the freedom to marry, you are one of thse empty worded Republicans as well.
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