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Old 10-22-2004, 08:04 PM   #1
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Kerry's False Plan For Peace

An excellent Krauthammer piece on the reason that the US will never be able to appease the international community and why if Kerry attempts to it will place innocent lives in the balance.
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The centerpiece of John Kerry's foreign policy is to rebuild our alliances so the world will come to our help, especially in Iraq. He repeats this endlessly because it is the only foreign policy idea he has to offer. The problem for Kerry is that he cannot explain just how he proposes to do this.

The mere appearance of a Europhilic fresh face is unlikely to so thrill the allies that French troops will start marching down the streets of Baghdad. Therefore, you can believe that Kerry is just being cynical in pledging to bring in the allies, knowing that he has no way of doing it. Or you can believe, as I do, that he means it.

He really does want to end America's isolation. And he has an idea how to do it. For understandable reasons, however, he will not explain how on the eve of an election.

Think about it: What do the Europeans and the Arab states endlessly rail about in the Middle East? What (outside Iraq) is the area of most friction with U.S. policy? What single issue most isolates America from the overwhelming majority of countries at the United Nations?
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/c...20041022.shtml
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Old 10-23-2004, 11:42 AM   #2
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Good points made. I mean, hell, Kerry is already in Sharon's camp, and Israel is the big sticking point in the dispute. That's not going to change, and neither is U.S. policy. Frustrating but true.
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The centerpiece of John Kerry's foreign policy is to rebuild our alliances so the world will come to our help, especially in Iraq. He repeats this endlessly because it is the only foreign policy idea he has to offer. The problem for Kerry is that he cannot explain just how he proposes to do this.

There's a 263 page document on Kerry's site that explains how he proposes to do this.
http://www.johnkerry.com/plan/
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Old 10-23-2004, 03:43 PM   #4
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Below are the countries in the coalition that currently have troops on the ground in Iraq. John Kerry and others on this board claim that this is not a "true coalition". In that case, I'd ask those on the board who feel the same way, which countries not on the current coalition list is John Kerry going to bring in and have them deploy troops in Iraq?

1 United Kingdom
2 Italy
3 South Korea
4 Poland
5 Ukraine
6 Netherlands
7 Romania
8 Japan
9 Denmark
10 Bulgaria
11 El Salvador
12 Hungary
13 Australia
14 Mongolia
15 Georgia
16 Azerbaijan
17 Portugal
18 Latvia
19 Czech Republic
20 Lithuania
21 Slovakia
22 Albania
23 Estonia
24 Tonga
25 Kazakhstan
26 Macedonia
27 Moldova
28 Norway

Out of the 26 nation NATO Alliance, the largest military alliance in the world, 16 countries have troops on the ground in Iraq.
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Sting do you know the amount of troops or percentages? I'm curious.
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Old 10-23-2004, 03:54 PM   #6
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1 United Kingdom 12,000
2 Italy 3,169
3 South Korea 3,600
4 Poland 2,500
5 Ukraine 1,400
6 Netherlands 1,345
7 Romania 700
8 Japan 750
9 Denmark 496
10 Bulgaria 485
11 El Salvador 380
12 Hungary 300
13 Australia 920
14 Mongolia 180
15 Georgia 300
16 Azerbaijan 151
17 Portugal 128
18 Latvia 122
19 Czech Republic 110
20 Lithuania 105
21 Slovakia 105
22 Albania 200
23 Estonia 55
24 Tonga 45
25 Kazakhstan 29
26 Macedonia 28
27 Moldova 12
28 Norway 10

Notice that nearly half the countries in Europe have troops deployed in Iraq. Before anyone critizes the numbers or contributions of any particular country, please explain how John Kerry would get more troops from countries who already have troops on the ground in Iraq and already support Bush's policy there.
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At random...

"Free America From Its Dangerous Dependence On Mideast Oil." - Except vote again the offshore wind turbines off Cape Cod?

"Deploy All That Is In America's Arsenal." - The same human intelligence and CIA fundng he voted to cut?

"Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats." - The same weapons he voted against in the height of their necessity?

"Reward Companies that Create Jobs in America." - How many of those Heinz employees are in the US?

"Every Classroom Has a Great Teacher" - Like here in Boston where we put the most money and had the worst school system in the country. He will not go against the teachers union.

etc etc etc ... the detailed document has no more "detail" than the summary.
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If you'd actually read the document, you'd see that the plan is a little more detailed than a few one-liners about "flip flopping".

Also at random....the section about freeing America from dependence on Mideast oil is over 10 pages long, the section about "rewarding companies that create jobs in America" is over 15 pages long, and it's all broken down. If that isn't detailed, then I don't know what is at this point.

The details are there, whether some partisan columnist can be bothered to read them or not.
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But what the article says and what John Kerry keeps saying--is that "The centerpiece of John Kerry's foreign policy is to rebuild our alliances so the world will come to our help, especially in Iraq." This is true. He still has not come close to explaining how he intends to do this. In fact, both he and Edwards just outright dodged the question during the debates. I can't ask it any better than STING2 did:
"please explain how John Kerry would get more troops from countries who already have troops on the ground in Iraq and already support Bush's policy there."
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What is the amount of troops that the US have currently in Iraq?
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The United States currently has 140,000 troops in Iraq.
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The ratio of US troops vs. other alliances being so far apart has nothing to do with Bush and his decision to forge ahead without UN support?
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The ratio of US troops vs. other alliances being so far apart has nothing to do with Bush and his decision to forge ahead without UN support?
The President went to the United Nations on September 12, 2002 and got yet another resolution authorizing the use of military force against Iraq in November 2002 with a 15-0 vote in the Security Council. Since the start of the war, the United Nations has approved the occupation in THREE different resolutions. So indeed, Bush had and still has the support of the UN.

As to the ratio of troops involved, can you name another war the United States has fought in since World War II, where the ratio of troops involved was significantly higher for non-US troops than it is in Iraq currently?

In addition, how is Kerry going to get more troops from countries that already support the policy and are contributing troops as well as from countries not involved?
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Kerry's plan does have some amount of detail, but every premise he supples defies every notion of capitalism, nationalism and in some cases, just plain common sense. Bush has some of the same issues, but at least he has the backing of some major economic forced that believe in the free market.

As for the UN, I think sadly that the time may come in the near future where is goes the way of the League of Nations. The utter corruption and heresy of the organization will be difficult to correct.
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Eliminate the UN!
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