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Old 08-26-2007, 12:43 AM   #256
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There has long been the belief (or at least lip service) in our justice system that it is better for 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be jailed. Over the past couple of decades however, it seems to me that the opposite is deemed more acceptable. We're becoming an increasingly vengeful and vindictive nation -- much to our detriment.
Dwight Schrute from The Office (terrible reference, I know) sort of parodies this thinking, he once said, "Better 1000 innocent men in jail then one guilty man go free." Thought of that when you said that.

Unfortunately, you are correct, that mad line of thinking is coming into play.
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Whats your problem.
My problem is that your context is completely out of wack...
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Old 08-26-2007, 12:44 AM   #258
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True, because there would be no murder (thou shall not kill) and no death penalty (you guessed it, thou shall not kill). There is no qualifier to that commandment. It doesn't say "thou shall not kill, unless the person did something truly awful," so at least through the lens of the 10 Commandments, the death penalty is wrong.

But all that is besides the point, because that's not the world we live in. The 10 commandments are not law.
Not to draw out a tangent (because you're right, it is beside the point) but no, that commandment, Lo tirtzakh, the second person plural masculine imperative of ratzah, is in fact the Hebrew for an extralegal killing specifically, as opposed to harag, the usual verb for 'to kill.' Ratzah is far less common (it only appears about 50 times, I think) and other than this instance, always in a context linking it to punishment. Like our word 'murder,' it specifically denotes a killing not in accord with those varieties society deems acceptable, as embodied in law. In any case, the context of the Hebrew Bible ought to make it quite clear that that was definitely a society which considered killing acceptable under some circumstances. (On the other hand, capital punishment lost rabbinic sanction in 30 AD--probably largely in reaction to Roman abuse of it--but that's another story.)
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From Genesis:

And from each man too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.
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This constant referral to the Bible must be a uniquely American thing because I've read a lot of DP literature from Canada and the UK and I can't say I've ever, EVER seen it as a line of reasoning. Here, you can't get away from it on this thread for a second.

It's honestly tiresome. We can discuss this in terms of the rule of law and a legal system, but how do you make an argument when somebody invokes Scriptures? You've already lost. They have their beliefs and their interpretation and that's that. Totally useless form of discussion, to be frank.
I think that might be why it's done.
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Perhaps the "Fuck You" is to all those people who don't love their neighbours. I'm sure Johnny Cash met a lot of people who were backstabbing jerks who could act sweet as pie to those who could help them -- after all he was in the music biz.
Indra, you should know by now I'm a world saving person and would give any one of my brothers or sisters the shirt off my back and help anyone in need. I just want peace for everyone, but even I have my limits.
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My problem is that your context is completely out of wack...
So your saying the bible is completely out of whack?
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From Genesis:

And from each man too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.
I noticed you didn't comment on the link I gave you earlier...
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again please.
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So your saying the bible is completely out of whack?
Where did I say that?

No, just your lack of context is out of whack.
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So your saying the bible is completely out of whack?
Yes.

That's EXACTLY what he said when he stated that:

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My problem is that your context is completely out of wack...
I don't meant to be rude, but....seriously??!!
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My context came from explanation of the verses pertaining to the DP.
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Here it is again:

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Wow...

First of all most say thou shall not kill. And even if it does say neighbor, neighbor has always been interpreted as humankind.

Otherwise we can pick and choose who we love. If we don't feel like loving someone from another race, we could just say they aren't our neighbor.

You may want to read this, it gives a little context:

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/668.htm
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My context came from explanation of the verses pertaining to the DP.
Then you don't understand 'context'.
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Old 08-26-2007, 12:56 AM   #270
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I didn't see your link....

But you don't have to like anyone but you must love your neighbor so that if they are in ANY kind of need you help them.

FYI: I don't only believe in the DP because of my religion.
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