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Old 07-09-2006, 10:09 PM   #31
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some may see your beliefs as naive or gullible.
Have I stated my beliefs yet?

Now who's naive?
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Old 07-09-2006, 10:12 PM   #32
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This thread is an excellent example of why we must consider all of Scripture, not just select portions. The companion to end times prophecy is the warning that it will happen at a time we do not know. Failed predictions (which in and of themselves run contrary to Scripture) do not invalidate prophecy.

We only have been given the warning signs and will know when it actually happens. Only the Lord knows the date.

Very well said.

We're not going to know the time and date, so why care? There's another date that we should be more worried about that is coming in all of our life times -- the day we each die. (This would happen if the world ended too, obviously.) What happens after we die is what we should be focusing on.

That said, I've had a vision about the end of the world. I want to share it with you now. It's going to happen exactly like this:

http://www.jengajam.com/r/End-Of-The-World
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Old 07-09-2006, 10:13 PM   #33
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Have I stated my beliefs yet?

Now who's naive?
sorry if i have offended you.

What are your belief's then ?
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Old 07-09-2006, 10:28 PM   #34
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No, you haven't.

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What are your belief's then ?
My belief is that absolutes either way are dangerous.
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Old 07-09-2006, 10:56 PM   #35
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Huge alien---CHECK
Long worm like arms---CHECK
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Name so long we cannot process---NOPE, the one I know answers to the name Clyde.
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Well, just to be serious for a moment.
In his letters to the Corinthians, Paul describes many gifts which God gives to members of the church. This gift may be wisdom, knowledge, faith, ability to heal others, ability to perform miracles, discernings of spirits, speaking in tongues, or interpretation of the words of a person speaking in tongues and prophecy. So someday, through the Holy Spirit, couldn't some prophet actually know "the date and the hour."
Would he be believed?

Actually, the spiritual gift of prophecy is more about the ability to reveal and speak about Scripture than anything else.

The thing is - we as Christians should always live as if Jesus was coming tomorrow - like a thief in the night - while also being open to the possibility He may not return for 10,000 years!

Either way - the story ends well my friends
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Actually, the spiritual gift of prophecy is more about the ability to reveal and speak about Scripture than anything else.
After a little research I found this on a site. It backs up what you are saying.

"Prophecy is not prediction..

People sometimes think that "prophecy" means to predict (foretell) what will happen in the future. Actually, the simple gift of prophecy is essentially forthtelling; it is a ministry to make people better and more useful Christians now. Prophecy in the New Testament church carries no prediction with it whatsoever, for "he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort" (I Corinthians 14:3). Notice that there is no mention of the word prediction here."

Certainly corrects a general misconception of the biblical meaning of prophecy that I've held.
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Certainly corrects a general misconception of the biblical meaning of prophecy that I've held.
Well, you are not completely wrong. Old Testament prophets paint quite a vivid picture, as well as John the Baptist in the NT. However, like you said, many people think of prophecy in terms of "predicting" instead of "exhorting" (i.e. encouraging).

The role of those with the gift is to teach and encourage believers into "Chrislikeness." A beautiful job if you think about it. All of these “doomsday” types that Melon pointed out are more of an embarrassment to the Christian community than anything else.

The compelling aspect of Christianity is living a life of hope, faith, and love. (The greatest being love, of course). Trying to scare people with the “End of the World as We Know It” (GREAT song!) diatribes is not the role of those gifted with prophecy.

Like I said earlier – Jesus may come tomorrow or not for another 10,000 years. Treat every day here on Earth as an opportunity to be God’s finger in touching someone’s heart. Do that until He comes – or you die. Either way is wondrous and beautiful!
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anyone ever consider revelation might just be 2000 year old christian/jewish propaganda aginst rome?
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I seriously doubt anybody here has actually read the book of revelation, otherwise they wouldn't be standing by it with such conviction. For those of you who haven't....http://www.goldnuggetwebs.com/revelation/index.html
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I've read it. What are you trying to say?
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I seriously doubt anybody here has actually read the book of revelation, otherwise they wouldn't be standing by it with such conviction. For those of you who haven't....http://www.goldnuggetwebs.com/revelation/index.html
Have you even read this thread, man? Nobody's even talking about Revelation much less "standing by it."

If you want to free us religious believers of our"benighted ideas" this is not the way to do it.
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I seriously doubt anybody here has actually read the book of revelation, otherwise they wouldn't be standing by it with such conviction. For those of you who haven't....http://www.goldnuggetwebs.com/revelation/index.html
Not only have I read it several times, but I took a semester's course on it in College. Have you?

I fail to see what that has to do with this conversation. We weren' talking about any particular book of the Bible, we are talking about prophecy in general.
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the world won't ever end.

we might, the world won't.

and we'll probably do it to ourselves.
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None of the dates predicted an end in 1984. I feel cheated.
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