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Old 11-03-2006, 06:01 PM   #136
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pushing laws that isolate them is certainly not the best way to do this.
Particularly when all these people here at FYM who are arguing against gay marriage have absolutely no judicially cognizable interest in the matter.
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Old 11-03-2006, 09:42 PM   #137
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If you look at something as basic as the 10 commandments – they make logical sense
No they don't.

No graven images, holy Sabbath, no adultery and no coveting are pretty illogical.
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I have read much into this debate. My one question is this: is it more important to do the right thing, and love all your neighbors, and be faithful to God, and follow his commandments, or to tell others exactly how to do it? If someone asks for your belief, asks for your guidance, by all means tell them how you feel. But a part of religion is personal interpretation. Your interpretation of how the Bible should be followed, of how religion should be practiced, may not be in accord with that of others. So, I must ask, if a homosexual person hasn't asked for your opinion on whether his homosexuality is OK in the standards of God, why is it that you must tell him what you feel?
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:07 AM   #139
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^ good point!

I think its much better for you to be happy within yourself, and have an unshaken belief, and not feel it your right to tell other people that they're wrong, or have this air like that (whether you feel that or not)

I may not understand how someone can put their faith in god, but i'm not trying to convert people, just trying to put a different view forward in a chorus of something more.
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Old 11-04-2006, 03:00 AM   #140
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Jiminy Cricket, BVS, how many times do I have to say this? I freely admitted that it is condemning actions. What I said was that it not condemning the people who commit the action. You ahven't shown me how it is condemning people

So are you good with someone who says "I am not against Jews,
It is just their Jewish practices or Jewish behavior that I am against."?
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Old 11-04-2006, 04:44 AM   #141
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I want to ask an honest question, one I've asked several times...

So where is your true justification? Please show me????
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So are you good with someone who says "I am not against Jews,
It is just their Jewish practices or Jewish behavior that I am against."?
That's a very good point. It is really hard to say you're not condemning people.
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Old 11-05-2006, 04:50 PM   #144
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It doesn't say "Stick your nose into your neighbor's private business" does it?
When I am invited I do...

Wait...this is not an oral sex thread...my bad.
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No they don't.

No graven images, holy Sabbath, no adultery and no coveting are pretty illogical.
Really? Worshipping some piece of wood seems logical to you?

Having a day of rest seems illogical to you? Wouldn't modern psycholgy disagree with you on this?

Having affairs and sleeping around on your wife seems logical? How do you think that this can logically be explained to a wife who has caught her husband sleeping with another woman or vice-versa? How is it logically best for society or the people involved?

How does being jealous or envious of a friend seem like a raitonal, logical way to think about him?
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That's a very good point. It is really hard to say you're not condemning people.
Do you have kids? If you do, then you will understand that you can still love your child witha ll of your heart even though you are upset be their behavior or cultural expressions.
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Old 11-06-2006, 02:33 AM   #148
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Really? Worshipping some piece of wood seems logical to you?
Worshipping anything is illogical to me, but not morally or ethically wrong. Making a monotheistic God supreme to the exclusion of other beliefs is wrong.
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Having a day of rest seems illogical to you? Wouldn't modern psycholgy disagree with you on this?
Having a holy day is wrong in this day and age, and as for a day of rest I would resent it if I was prevented from working on weekends.
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Having affairs and sleeping around on your wife seems logical?
It might; dishonest to be sure but sex is part of human nature and following those urges may not always be a bad thing.
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How do you think that this can logically be explained to a wife who has caught her husband sleeping with another woman or vice-versa? How is it logically best for society or the people involved?
I think it hurts feelings and can easily damage a relationship; but on the other hand some people live in open sexual relationships while remaining devoted to their partner - in those situations I don't see who has a right to judge.
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How does being jealous or envious of a friend seem like a raitonal, logical way to think about him?
Because we aspire; wanting to achieve and get to that higher level is good, doing it is better. Desiring material goods and wealth is not bad.
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Congratulations, A_W. You've successfully proven that anyone can rationalize away any activity, at any time, in any given circumstances. I mean, hey -- as long as we're at it, murder can be justified too, can't it? Theft? etc....

Which is exactly why laws are necessary.

I suppose the question is, which ones. But I don't think the Ten Commandments are a bad place to start.

Essentially, they can be summed up as:

"Hey, respect the people older than you instead of casting them aside.
"And while you're at it, you might want to avoid stealing your neighbor's stuff. (Want to know how to do that? Stop focusing on wanting everything he has.)
"And hey, try not murdering people.
"Perhaps honoring the marriage commitments between two people might be a good idea too.
"And given all of that, lying might be a bad idea as well."

I mean, these don't exactly set the bar high.
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Interesting, so do you believe as AEON believes that once you are a Christian all sins past, present, and future are forgiven?
Pretty convenient and self-serving system they have going there, isn't it? Do whatever you want, confess/ask for forgiveness, and it's all good, the slate is clean.
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