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Old 04-20-2007, 05:27 PM   #211
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Well, as an aside, there are many in the anti-gun camp (am assuming Democrats) that seemed to be perfectly willing to legalize drugs because they think they are unbanable. :-)
What a great upping of antes; faggotry, guns, porn, blasphemy and drugs; please be liberal with all so as to avoid hypocrisy.
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Haha solid post, anitram!
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I love the talk of these magical law-abiding citizens who don't abuse guns.

Guy goes crazy, catches wife in bed with another guy, loses his mind, picks up the gun in his garage and shoots her. He used to be law abiding. (And btw, these cases aren't rare, I could cite a dozen just off the top of my head)

Stupid teenager and his 3 buddies go to a 7-11, they're horsing around, decide to be dumb and steal a 6-pack of beer, it goes wrong, one of them happens to have a gun, shoots the cashier. No previous history of criminality, no previous convictions, hey, maybe it was his buddy's gun - he just happened to be holding it.

9 year old boy finds one of his father's guns in the basement, plays around with it, accidentally shoots his sister and the family dog. No history of criminal behaviour.

Guy owns house backing onto ravine, hates how neighbourhood cats and dogs wander on to his property. Sees a beagle taking a dump, picks up his gun to teach it a lesson and misses, shooting the mother of 3 who happened to be walking the dog. No history of criminal behaviour.

Guy's business is crumbling, he's got debt collectors showing up, he's under stress, they're relentless, he orders them out of his store, they refuse, he picks up a gun and shoots. No history of criminal behaviour.

Guy's wife tells him she's leaving him and the kids and is going to clean him out and by the way, his dick is small and she's repulsed by looking at him. He's enraged, picks up his hunting rifle, shoots her, the inlaws who live on the main floor of their house and then takes his own life.

Everyone is law abiding initially.
I love the talk of the magical innocents who oops tripped and fell and shot a store clerk in the face while emptying the cash register. I don't think I could equate and armed robber as a "stupid teen".
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If you're dissing the consitution I'm not sure what to say as it's pretty much universally recognized as the strongest blueprint to set up a country ever created by people a lot smarter than you or I. In fact, your own consitution was based in large part on ours (assuming you're in germany)

I don't think I need to defend it as its success pretty much speaks for itself.
I'm not dissing anything, no worries. The Constitution didn't come out of the blue as well, but that's not the topic.
The thin is, whether our constitution, nor yours is meant to stay the same no matter what happens.
And the forefathers never meant that there words are to be set in stone. It wouldn't be considered an attack by them when two centuries ago people thought other a single part of th constitution and deemed it worthful to change it there.
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I love the talk of the magical innocents who oops tripped and fell and shot a store clerk in the face while emptying the cash register. I don't think I could equate and armed robber as a "stupid teen".
Why did he shoot?
Because he knew the store owner owned a gun, was nervous as hell and trigger happy as one could be so he decided to shoot when the store owner made a move.
One additional unnecessary death.
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I love the talk of the magical innocents who oops tripped and fell and shot a store clerk in the face while emptying the cash register. I don't think I could equate and armed robber as a "stupid teen".
Forget the armed robber for a moment. I think what anitram is trying to say is that there are so many cases of "stupid teens" (more like stupid people in the heat of the moment) mis-using guns! This would not be a problem if the right to own a gun is taken away!
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I love the talk of the magical innocents who oops tripped and fell and shot a store clerk in the face while emptying the cash register. I don't think I could equate and armed robber as a "stupid teen".
I don't care what you want to call him.

But sure, fixate on that if you'd like. Certainly distracts from the point that you only have to be "law abiding" at the point of purchase.
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faggotry, guns, porn, blasphemy and drugs;




how dare you put the beautiful love i make on a list with guns.

the others are quite alright by me.
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how dare you put the beautiful love i make on a list with guns.

the others are quite alright by me.
It all falls under a broad banner of liberties as much as hate speech and Jackass.
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Why did he shoot?
Because he knew the store owner owned a gun, was nervous as hell and trigger happy as one could be so he decided to shoot when the store owner made a move.
One additional unnecessary death.
And a person responsible for a very bad decision; guns don't make people do stupid things.
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And a person responsible for a very bad decision; guns don't make people do stupid things.
No but they help in the stupidity!
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Or to put it in a better way, they help stupid accidents become irreversible tragedies.
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And a person responsible for a very bad decision; guns don't make people do stupid things.
His very stupid decision was to rob the store.
Still, his knowledge of the gun owner owning a gun together with the high adrenaline and stress he is under he is more trigger happy.
That's very dangerous.

I don't say he wasn't stupid, I just say that a gun isn't improve your safety as some might like to think.

Not even considering ricochets or a bullet going through the victim and killing the person behind, or someone who can't handle the gun and misses the target etc.
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All of which are valid points against commiting crimes. Statistically it seems that "accidental" gun deaths are below cars and swimming pools - it doesn't detract from the tragedy of individual cases but it isn't like most registered weapons end up killing someone.

Sports shooting is an example of recreational gun use.
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Well, I don't advocate a full ban of weapons.

Stricter laws would help as well.

I've got nothing against sport shooting. Best thing is, these facilities even provide some storage possibilties to keep your own house gun free.

I would have a horrible feeling having a gun in my house, even if it was in a vault, when I have children playing.
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