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Old 04-04-2003, 11:44 AM   #16
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Damn, fell for the avatar again.

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I prefer not to see religion being used for political purposes. I don't care who it is, what the religion is, etc, etc. While I do not oppose troops who want to pray for Bush who want to do it, I don't think this is a wise use of the word "Christian". Personally I am a practicing Roman Catholic who prays for the troops but not the government.
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we are used to this "holy war" crap from terrorists, dictators and other extremists - but it's still shocking for me that a western democracy uses the same *** rethoric

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we are used to this "holy war" crap from terrorists, dictators and other extremists - but it's still shocking for me that a western democracy uses the same *** rethoric

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I agree with you both. Any claim of a "holy war" is nonsense and contrary to Scripture.

While I see expressions of faith by GWB, I do not see any claim by the administration that this is a war for the sake of Christ.
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I agree with you both. Any claim of a "holy war" is nonsense and contrary to Scripture.

While I see expressions of faith by GWB, I do not see any claim by the administration that this is a war for the sake of Christ.
Hmmm, did Bush said something like, America is god`s gift to the world ?


God as warlord,.... no way.
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Actually, Bush specifically said freedom was not America's gift to Iraq, but God's gift to the world.

There was no suggestion that America is God's instrument for justice, etc. I would oppose any such suggestion.
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Actually, Bush specifically said freedom was not America's gift to Iraq, but God's gift to the world. There was no suggestion that America is God's instrument for justice, etc. I would oppose any such suggestion.
Ok he said freedom was God's gift to the world. He feels war is the means by which to give Iraq this freedom. America is the one who led the strike. So how is it so far off to say that Bush thinks that America is God's instrument by which to give the Iraqui's their freedom?
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Ok he said freedom was God's gift to the world. He feels war is the means by which to give Iraq this freedom. America is the one who led the strike. So how is it so far off to say that Bush thinks that America is God's instrument by which to give the Iraqui's their freedom?
I would not feel comfortable basing arguments on projected thoughts and beliefs. Unless you ask him, you cannot say this is what Bush thinks. Especially given the theological implications of the statement.
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Ok he said freedom was God's gift to the world. He feels war is the means by which to give Iraq this freedom. America is the one who led the strike. So how is it so far off to say that Bush thinks that America is God's instrument by which to give the Iraqui's their freedom?
Probably frighteningly close to the truth.

I know a political scientist, so I asked her if this article was true and here's what she had to say...

"I don't know - but I know this is circulating and I believe it be true, because recently Time magazine wrote a big article about the evangelical movement in Texas and how it supported Bush into the Governor's office in a campaign against the natives there - a serious religious crusade where bumper stickers popped up calling Bush 'the last great Indian fighter', so I lean toward believing it. I'll let you know if some validation comes in - or you can probably search it online!"
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I would not feel comfortable basing arguments on projected thoughts and beliefs. Unless you ask him, you cannot say this is what Bush thinks. Especially given the theological implications of the statement.
Oh the whole thing makes me feel uncomfortable. He specifically said that this is a gift from God. He's delivering it to them. If he didn't think he was being used as an instrument, don't you think he would have waited for God to take action? Why interfere in God's plan.
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I would put this in the same catagory as Grace. It is a gift from God, but there is no way that we can be an instrument in delivering Grace.

God may use all of us in His sovereign way, but that is not something for us to claim when we make decisions.
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I am woman, hear me roar.
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God may use all of us in His sovereign way, but that is not something for us to claim when we make decisions.
This is my point. Don't speak about this war or the outcome as being of God. This war was his mistake, uh I mean decision, don't speak as if God has anything to do with it.
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