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Old 10-24-2007, 06:00 PM   #211
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however, perhaps Rowling is more focused on the integrity of her characters than she is on maximizing her book sales?

I disagree with you here my friend. Pretty much everything else you say I agree with.

She was more concerned with sales. If she had outed him, while she was writing, it would have impacted quite a bit. Outing him after the fact, is indeed a sign of weakness on her part. The series is over, there was no reason to not include it in book 7.

Just my opnion,
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Well, if they grow up and don't get excited by the book anymore because one of the characters is revealed to be gay... then so be it!
That's not the problem of the author, and it's not her intention to cater to the intolerant.
If they don't like book x, they should read book y. If the reason for not liking a book is that stupid, well, that kid has some real problems.
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I disagree with you here my friend. Pretty much everything else you say I agree with.

She was more concerned with sales. If she had outed him, while she was writing, it would have impacted quite a bit. Outing him after the fact, is indeed a sign of weakness on her part. The series is over, there was no reason to not include it in book 7.

Just my opnion,
I think there was very good reason not to address it in the book, other than the brief allusion she made to it.

The story is told from Harry's perspective. Without giving too much away plot-wise, a great deal of this book has to do with Harry learning things about Dumbledore's past, while regretting that he didn't have the foresight to get to know more about Dumbledore on a personal level, while he was alive. Throughout the series, Dumbledore was quite a private person, and he didn't volunteer much about himself, personally. Most of what Harry did eventually learn about Dumbledore kind of fell under the umbrella of Dumbledore's actions - and, from what we've learned, Dumbledore never acted on his 'infatuation' in a public way, that others would have been aware of. In other words, the vehicles chosen to expose Dumbledore's past did not have access to his personal, innermost feelings, all they knew was that for a time in his youth, Dumbledore took part in an unlikely friendship. One could argue that it would have been inorganic to stick in an overt "Dumbledore is teh gay" in the story, it just didn't fit.

As for her reasoning for not making it overt in the story being financially motivated, I just don't see it. Had she done so, she may have lost a few sales from people who didn't buy the book immediately, but I suspect those numbers would have been negligible. And, by stating this now, she's also risking future sales, sales of tickets and dvds for the next two movies, along with sales of the Potter-verse encyclopedia she's going to write in the future. To me, it just doesn't seem to jibe with someone who's financially motivated.
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There is a helluva lot of imputed intent being tossed around in this thread, and not just by one side.
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I see your point Vintage. Well written point. I have spent so much time reading these books with students, book clubs, my own children....I loved them, will continue to love them....and I am glad she implied it subtlely in the book. If it had been overt, I am not sure how much resistance there would have been. On a side bar, my wife, ran a book club exclusively around these books for years. Students were on waiting lists to get in. One of the best gifts a student ever gave her was a wand that she and her father made....it is incredible the detail, down to drilling a hole and putting a feather in the wand.

This woman has done more for students interest in literature than any childrens author in my life.
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This woman has done more for students interest in literature than any childrens author in my life.

i've never read a single HP book, nor am i interested, but i am very, very glad they exist.

i hope to discover them with a child one day.
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I see your point Vintage. Well written point. I have spent so much time reading these books with students, book clubs, my own children....I loved them, will continue to love them....and I am glad she implied it subtlely in the book. If it had been overt, I am not sure how much resistance there would have been. On a side bar, my wife, ran a book club exclusively around these books for years. Students were on waiting lists to get in. One of the best gifts a student ever gave her was a wand that she and her father made....it is incredible the detail, down to drilling a hole and putting a feather in the wand.

This woman has done more for students interest in literature than any childrens author in my life.
What a sweet gift to your wife!

I can certainly understand the questioning of her motives. My first reaction upon hearing it on the weekend was "Wtf? How does this fit in with the plot?" I was quite disturbed. Upon reading her original and subsequent statements and considering the plot ramifications, it makes perfect sense to me, and has added yet another layer of complexity for me. I applaud what she's done.
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Harry Potter was very popular at the library I worked at. It made me happy to see that and other books that some people consider "evil" or whatever being checked out on a regular basis.

If a parent doesn't want their kids to read "Harry Potter" or anything else for whatever reason, that's their choice. I strongly disagree, but they're the parent, they have the right to raise their child their own way. I just hope that those same parents realize that their children may one day rebel against them and search out this "forbidden" material themselves (thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, people, for realizing that banning things only makes them more popular. I long for the day when the rest of the world catches on to that obvious concept). Either that, or those kids will be very ill-prepared for dealing with the real world. Don't act so shocked when either of those scenarios happens later.

Course, hopefully one day we'll get to a point where this sort of thing won't even be an issue anymore. That would be wonderful.

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i've never read a single HP book, nor am i interested, but i am very, very glad they exist.

i hope to discover them with a child one day.
I started reading one a long time ago and liked what I had read, but for some reason I just never got around to finishing it or going further into the series. I'd love to pick up where I left off, and I too have the same hopes you do regarding discovering them with a child.

And speaking of children, one of my favorite things about working at that aforementioned library was when I'd be in the children's section and see kids reading books I used to love when I was a kid. Just knowing that stuff's still popular all these years later-it's pretty cool.

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i've never read a single HP book, nor am i interested, but i am very, very glad they exist.

i hope to discover them with a child one day.
Up until about the 4th book, I thought of them as delightful children's stories, and my daughter had to goad me into reading each new release. I was wrong, they're so much more than that. I reread the entire series over the summer with a new appreciation for the earlier books.
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Bonovoxsupastar and phillyfan: that may be, but aren't you missing the parent (control) factor ?

Sure, she may lose a few readers due to bigotry. But how many will she gain due to the "controversy", or how many will she gain because she didn't cave into the bigots?
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I disagree with you here my friend. Pretty much everything else you say I agree with.

She was more concerned with sales. If she had outed him, while she was writing, it would have impacted quite a bit. Outing him after the fact, is indeed a sign of weakness on her part. The series is over, there was no reason to not include it in book 7.

Just my opnion,
What would be interesting is if she ever had originally outed him in the book? And did some force an edit? Who knows...

She's never said no to spin off books has she?
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Irvine: and until they grow up ? Maybe HP won't excite them anymore once they read it.

Bonovoxsupastar and phillyfan: that may be, but aren't you missing the parent (control) factor ?

I see at is this: some bigoted parents tell their children not to read Harry Potter. Some of them will read it anyway, somehow. Some will read it later in life. A few won't read them. And I feel for all of those children.

But I think it would be a much bigger issue if we had the ignorant essentially censoring authors because the authors don't want to lose readers to "controversy."

I certainly don't think when she said this that she had some kind of "agenda" or "cause" to push for, as has been stated (though not by you). And I don't think she gave a thought then or now to those who've reacted poorly.

Quite frankly. it's probably just confirming some thoughts by others, because what she says, well ... makes sense if you look at the literature. I don't see it as a problem at all. She's always had the style of evolving her characters outside the pages.
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My Son is going to be Harry Potter this year.....for the 4th year in a row. He is 7. I said to him, Ben you already were Harry...

he says yes, but not with his Quidditch Uniform!
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Don't you think that may be furthering the agenda?

What kind of father are you?
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