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Old 09-06-2008, 04:31 PM   #331
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But she specifically left out the part about it not selling on eBay. She intentionally made it sound like she had sold the plane on eBay. That's a lie.

Yes, it's irrelevant and doesn't matter, but that's my point: why lie about something so inconsequential?
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But she specifically left out the part about it not selling on eBay. She intentionally made it sound like she had sold the plane on eBay. That's a lie.

Yes, it's irrelevant and doesn't matter, but that's my point: why lie about something so inconsequential?
Weak.

She's consistently said "put in on Ebay", not "sold." The point is she decided to get rid of something wasteful and unnecessary, and eventually sold it for close to what was paid for it. I still see no lie.
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...I don't really agree that it's an out and out "lie" though. All she said is "I put it on eBay." Which is completely true. I don't think it sounds likes she intentionally trying to make it sound like it sold on eBay, only that she's trying to get across that she wanted to sell it, which she did.
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...I don't really agree that it's an out and out "lie" though. All she said is "I put it on eBay." Which is completely true. I don't think it sounds likes she intentionally trying to make it sound like it sold on eBay, only that she's trying to get across that she wanted to sell it, which she did.
It's a lie of omission. She could have easily said, "I put it on eBay, but it didn't sell there, but I didn't give up, and I eventually sold it this way[whatever way she ended up selling it]", but she didn't. By saying, "I put it on eBay", she is clearly implying that it resulted in a sale.

Saying the rest wouldn't have done any damage whatsoever to her, so why omit it?

I understand that it is an unimportant issue - she is the one making a big deal of it in the first place - but my point is that if she is willing to lie about this, even an unimportant, trivial, lie of omission, what else is she willing to lie about?
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It's a lie of omission. She could have easily said, "I put it on eBay, but it didn't sell there, but I didn't give up, and I eventually sold it this way[whatever way she ended up selling it]", but she didn't. By saying, "I put it on eBay", she is clearly implying that it resulted in a sale.

Saying the rest wouldn't have done any damage whatsoever to her, so why omit it?
Because she wasn't trying to tell a story. She used that anecdote as an example of her cutting things that are wasteful and giving that money back to the people. I can't believe we're even having a discussion about this...

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but my point is that if she is willing to lie about this, even an unimportant, trivial, lie of omission, what else is she willing to lie about?
Please. Your partisanship is blinding you to common sense and rationality. Get some fresh air.
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Attention gays and lesbians, good news, Palin's church thinks it can cure you.

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"At the 11:15 a.m. Sunday service, hundreds sit in folding chairs, listening to a 20-minute sermon about the Book of Malachi and singing along to alt-rock praise songs. The only sign of culture warring in the whole production is an insert in the day's program advertising an upcoming Focus on the Family conference on homosexuality in Anchorage called Love Won Out. The group promises to teach attendees how to "respond to misinformation in our culture" and help them "overcome" homosexuality."
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It's a lie of omission. She could have easily said, "I put it on eBay, but it didn't sell there, but I didn't give up, and I eventually sold it this way[whatever way she ended up selling it]", but she didn't. By saying, "I put it on eBay", she is clearly implying that it resulted in a sale.

Saying the rest wouldn't have done any damage whatsoever to her, so why omit it?

I understand that it is an unimportant issue - she is the one making a big deal of it in the first place - but my point is that if she is willing to lie about this, even an unimportant, trivial, lie of omission, what else is she willing to lie about?
Come on, man. It was one line meant to illustrate a point. It was not a lie of omission. The main point she was making is that she wanted to sell the jet, not that she put it on Ebay (besides "I put it on eBay" is almost synonymous with "I sold it" anyway). She omitted the rest because what she should was sufficient, imo. I don't think by not completely filling in the story she created any false premise. Watching the speech and reading the speech, the only clear implication I get is that she sold it.

And honestly I think you're reeeeally stretching if you're going to use this perceived lie of omission as an opening to ponder what else she'd lie about.

Use her lies about earmarks and the Bridge to Nowhere to do that.
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Attention gays and lesbians, good news, Palin's church thinks it can cure you.



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Well, if you to were ask many on the right, that's just what Christians believe, so Palin's fine.


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Because she wasn't trying to tell a story. She used that anecdote as an example of her cutting things that are wasteful and giving that money back to the people. I can't believe we're even having a discussion about this...



Please. Your partisanship is blinding you to common sense and rationality. Get some fresh air.
Everything I've heard and read about her and from her has made me distrust her intensely on a gut level. It is scary to think of her ascending to the presidency in the event of McCain's demise. Perhaps this intense distrust of mine is causing me to be overly sensitive to anything she says that could even remotely be the smallest of lies.
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Everything I've heard and read about her and from her has made me distrust her intensely on a gut level. It is scary to think of her ascending to the presidency in the event of McCain's demise. Perhaps this intense distrust of mine is causing me to be overly sensitive to anything she says that could even remotely be the smallest of lies.
Palin scares me too. I don't know what McCain was thinking in this. I actually liked him until a few days ago.
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September 6, 2008
Obama: Republicans must think you’re stupid
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From CNN Political Producer Alexander Marquardt


Sen. Obama mocked the McCain-Palin ticket for casting themselves as mavericks.
TERRE HAUTE, Indiana (CNN) – Since leaving their convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, John McCain and Sarah Palin have tried to cast themselves as mavericks, Washington outsiders, the real agents of change.

Barack Obama isn’t buying it and wants the label for himself.

“Everywhere I go we’ve been talking about change, that’s been the theme of this campaign,” Obama told supporters in a show barn in Indiana. “And we must be on to something, because I notice now everyone’s talking about change now.”

“Suddenly [McCain’s] the change agent!” Obama laughed. “He says, “I’m going to tell those lobbyists that their days of running Washington are over.” Who’s he going to tell? Is he going to tell his campaign chairman who’s one of the biggest corporate lobbyists in Washington? Is he going to tell his campaign manager who was one of the biggest corporate lobbyists in Washington? Is he going to tell all the folks who are running his campaign who are the biggest corporate lobbyists in Washington?”

“Who is it that he’s going to tell that change is coming?” he added, “I mean come on, they must think you’re stupid!”

Obama said Thursday that he’ll focus on McCain because he’s running against McCain and not his running mate Sarah Palin. But Saturday Obama singled out Palin for the first time for flip-flopping on earmarks while governor of Alaska.

“She is a skillful politician,” said Obama, “but when you’ve been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you’re the champion anti-earmark person, that is not change, come on. I mean, words mean something. You can’t just make stuff up. You can’t just make stuff up.”

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Palin: Biden isn't an agent of change
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Gov. Palin said Sen. Biden isn't capable of transforming Washington.
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) – Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin attacked her Democratic counterpart for the first time on Saturday, accusing Sen. Joe Biden of being a creature of Capitol Hill incapable of transforming Washington.

“You know, the choices that presidential nominees make for running mate they say a lot about them,” Palin told an audience of 12,000 flag-waving Republicans who had gathered in a jet hangar here.

“When our opponent made his choice, he went for a fine man,” she said. “A decent man. Sen. Biden can claim many chairmanships across many, many years in Washington, and certainly many friends in the Washington establishment. But even those admirers would not be able to call him an agent of change.”

Meanwhile, she said, “Sen. McCain has called the two of us a team of mavericks. John McCain knows that we’ve done some shaking up in Alaska.”

Palin ventured briefly into the world of economic policy during her remarks, calling for reform at mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are now facing the prospect of a government bailout. Palin has largely avoided policy discussions on the campaign trail thus far, instead focusing on her own biography and emphasizing her reformer credentials.

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Seems like some Christian leaders were none too thrilled about Palin's knocks against community organizers.

Very well-known Jim Wallis wants an apology:

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"The convention crowd in St. Paul thought that was very funny. But it wasn't. It was actually quite insulting to the army of community organizers who work in the most challenging places across the country and have such a tremendous impact on the everyday lives of millions of people. I guess Palin and her fellow Republican delegates don't know much about that. The "actual responsibilities" of community organizers literally provide the practical support, collective strength, and hope for a better future that low-income families need to survive."

"Community organizers are now most focused in the faith community, working with tens of thousands of pastors and laypeople in thousands of congregations around the country. Faith-based organizing is the critical factor in many low-income communities in the country's poorest urban and rural areas, and church leaders are often the biggest supporters of community organizers."

"And when you put the accomplishments of politicians alongside those of community organizers for poor families, it isn't even close. Without the pressure from community organizers and the movements they lead, there would often be nobody to hold politicians accountable."

"Palin's effort to attack the experience of Barack Obama, a former community organizer in Chicago, turned into a bad joke and an insult. Palin owes a lot of good people an apology."
Then there is the Bishop of the Church of God in Christ (as an aside, this is the FASTEST growing pentecostal church in America):

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"As a lifelong Republican, the comments I heard last night about community organizing crossed the line. It is one thing to question someone's experience, another to demean the work of millions of hardworking Americans who take time to get involved in their communities. When people come together in my church hall to improve our community, they're building the Kingdom of God in San Diego. We see the fruits of community organizing in safer streets, new parks, and new affordable housing. It's the spirit of democracy for people to have a say and we need more of it," Bishop Roy Dixon, prelate of the Southern California 4th ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the Church of God in Christ"
As soon as I heard this comment come out of Palin's mouth, it struck me as completely inappropriate, and I did think of faith-based community organizing. Also, as somebody who was raised a Catholic, community outreach and work is such a staple that I thought those Catholic independents would pick up on the offensive nature of the comment as well.

I'm glad that she is being called out on it by very prominent members of the Christian faith community.
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Guiliani also openly laughed at community organizers in his speech.
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Guiliani also openly laughed at community organizers in his speech.
I don't think anybody pays attention to Vlad Rudy.
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