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Old 12-01-2004, 06:40 PM   #16
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you either believe Jesus is

1. the only way to a relationship with God


or

2. he was a liar or an idiot.


perhaps numbers 1 and 2 are just perceptions based on what people with interests wrote about the life and story of Jesus of Nazareth.
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Not true. Jesus said through him. I have never taken this as "you must know me to get to heaven." I have gone through many paths in life through doors people have opened for me without me having a relationship with them or even meeting them.

There's no way a loving God would deny heaven to any of his children just because they lived in a certain part of the world and have never heard of Jesus.

Thinking that any of us deserve to be in heaven is to not understand the reason Jesus came to earth. None of us are worthy of being in the presence of a righteous God, and there is nothin we can do to get there.

LivLuvAndBootlegMusic, you're right, a Christian lifestyle does not give anyone a prepaid ticket to Heaven. However, God's grace is only offered through His son Jesus, not carte blanche to anything that's religious or makes one feel good. You can't accept/receive God's grace through anything other than Jesus, at least according to Jesus and the rest of the New Testament. BTW, this model of grace is consistent with the Old Testament, but that gets into a lengthy discussion.
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Jesus claimed he was the only way to the father. I don't think you can compromise on that.
Did he say that? Did he claim it? Or did a man who was not Jesus write that down some years or decades later? Was he an apologetic? Was it a polemic? Whom was he writing for and to?

There is not a single person on this forum or elsewhere who can answer those questions with any sort of certainty.
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Did he say that? Did he claim it? Or did a man who was not Jesus write that down some years or decades later? Was he an apologetic? Was it a polemic? Whom was he writing for and to?

There is not a single person on this forum or elsewhere who can answer those questions with any sort of certainty.
From that mindset, you can believe anything you want for whatever reason.

Without inherecy of Scripture, Christianity can be reduced to just another social group or a self-help program.
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Thinking that any of us deserve to be in heaven is to not understand the reason Jesus came to earth. None of us are worthy of being in the presence of a righteous God, and there is nothin we can do to get there.
No one said anything about anyone deserving heaven, I just don't believe in opening the doors for some and not others based on geography. There will be some that never even here the word Jesus, but live a more loving life than most Christians, yet they get denied because of where they were born? No, not my God.
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However, God's grace is only offered through His son Jesus, not carte blanche to anything that's religious or makes one feel good. You can't accept/receive God's grace through anything other than Jesus, at least according to Jesus and the rest of the New Testament.
So what does through Christ mean?
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God offered grace before Christ.
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So what does through Christ mean?

exactamundo. it means whatever those who toss such a phrase around want it to mean. their terms, their defintions, their interpretations, their biases, and their own prejudiced readings (as all reading is prejudiced).
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St. Thomas Aquinas once said "I'm met those who have never heard of the name Christ, but were closer to God than either a priest or a nun."

To me, this means that anyone could have salvation despite their beliefs or being born before Jesus or living in an area that never heard of Christianity. I've known people who were not Christian, but probably did a better job pleasing God than some Christians.

But in the end, God is the final Judge. Only He decides who gets to go be saved. I don't think its a good idea to wonder who goes to heaven and how, because only God really knows.
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i think it's entirely possible for a Hindu who has never heard of Christ or an atheist to live a life that is 100% in step with Christ's teachings.
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Without inherecy of Scripture, Christianity can be reduced to just another social group or a self-help program.
Or one of many paths to the same God who created all of us.
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LivLuvAndBootlegMusic, you're right, a Christian lifestyle does not give anyone a prepaid ticket to Heaven. However, God's grace is only offered through His son Jesus, not carte blanche to anything that's religious or makes one feel good. You can't accept/receive God's grace through anything other than Jesus, at least according to Jesus and the rest of the New Testament.
Yeah, so what exactly does that mean "through Jesus"? To me, it means accepting God's Grace in your heart and recognizing you are NOT your own and NOTHING you could ever do on your own will ever make you even close to worthy. I didn't say you could accept Grace through "anything religious or makes you feel good"; I'm pretty sure I was saying the exact opposite....
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you either believe Jesus is the only way to a relationship with God or he was a liar or an idiot.
Actually, there is a third option, and it's been alluded to here. Jesus is one way. He was neither a liar nor an idiot, but one of the ways to God.

It doesn't have to be as simple or as exclusive as you'd like it to be.
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Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe Hindus, Buddhists, tribal religionists don't give a flying flip about getting to heaven?

Why is everyone concerned whether everyone is going there? Put your own feet on the path (the way, the truth, the life) and let others worry about themselves and wherever they want to go.
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I don't want to argue with anyone about wheather you should believe in the Bible or the God I try to follow. I just wanted to understand how those of you who believe in the Bible and Jesus Christ's teachings as absolute fact (any of you?) can take what Jesus (Who the Bible says was God) said as anything but the pure truth.

Again, I'm not trying to argue with anyone. It's just that the Bible does say that Jesus was our only savior. Period. If you're saying he meant any form of a "higher deity", then what do you think he meant when he said those things in the scriptures? Do you think the scriptures are unreliable? If so, why even read the Bible.

Jesus said he was the only way. Why should we not believe this? Jesus would not have even been a noteable historical figure if it were not for the fact that he said this. There's no doubt that he claimed to be the Messiah, the only way to Heaven. This is why he was persecuted and crucified (a historically recorded fact). If he was not the Messiah then he was a liar. That's also simple to see. What he said was either true or false. This is also the heart of the Bible. This is the heart of all christianity. How can you say that the Jews truly elieve in the God of the Bible when they openly deny that Jesus was our savior? They deny the central idea of christianity. They deny Jesus.

I'm not trying to convert anyone to christianity, I'm trying to get you to question how much you really believe the Bible. The way I see it, if the central idea of the Bible was Jesus' grace, and you deny it, how can you believe the Bible?
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