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Old 09-15-2007, 02:13 PM   #256
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Obama said it best was that he supports the troops, he just refuses to support a dumb war.

Withdrawal needs to start now. They can't accomplish anything more, because no matter how long they wait, as soon as they leave, civil war errupts.
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Wow, what a warped and revisionist view...
Are you saying those quotes aren't real?
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Old 09-15-2007, 04:31 PM   #258
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You are getting desperate, AEON.

This administration sent the troops into a war that wasn't neccessary. That was the biggest betrayal of the troops, and it that was far more of an 'abandonment' than what you're accusing the democrats of.
But the Democrats sent them there just as much as the Republicans.
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Are you saying those quotes aren't real?
Wow, you've become very skilled in selective reading and twisting of words...
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But the Democrats sent them there just as much as the Republicans.
No. I just don't know how you can say that.
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But the Democrats sent them there just as much as the Republicans.
Your couple of quotes aren't enough to make a huge statement like that.
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But the Democrats sent them there just as much as the Republicans.
BS. So you're saying that the Democrats would've sent our troops into war without the Republican pressure, propaganda and outright lies?
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BS. So you're saying that the Democrats would've sent our troops into war without the Republican pressure, propaganda and outright lies?
I don't see why President Al Gore wouldn't have.
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BS. So you're saying that the Democrats would've sent our troops into war without the Republican pressure, propaganda and outright lies?
I have already demonstrated that if the WMD question was propaganda and a lie - then leaders of both parties have been deceiving everyone since 1998.

The truth is, the war was only possible with the Democrats' vote:



House and Senate Approves Iraq War Resolution
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But, AEON, do you still not see the jump you have to make from what the Democrats suggested to a war?
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77-23 and 296-133 as "America speaking with one voice?"

Kucinich opposed it. Obama opposed it (though not yet in Congress).
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But, AEON, do you still not see the jump you have to make from what the Democrats suggested to a war?

Not at all. Here is a quote from Nancy Pelosi, who is now Speaker fo the House (not a small time position), during the leadup to war.
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"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
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October 10, 2002
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77-23 and 296-133 as "America speaking with one voice?"

Kucinich opposed it. Obama opposed it (though not yet in Congress).
You forgot this part of the article:

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The measure passed the Senate and House by wider margins than the 1991 resolution that empowered the current president's father to go to war to expel Iraq from Kuwait. That measure passed 250-183 in the House and 52-47 in the Senate
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This whole discussion of quotes is ridiculous. The climate in America during that time was, you are with us or against us. There was this, support the government or be labelled a traitor ala the Dixie Chicks viewpoint after 911. It is certain that the Democrats showed no political backbone but they have always and continue to show no political backbone during the past 7 years. But to believe that the Democrats are responsible for the events in Iraq is laughable.
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This whole discussion of quotes is ridiculous. The climate in America during that time was, you are with us or against us. There was this, support the government or be labelled a traitor ala the Dixie Chicks viewpoint after 911. It is certain that the Democrats showed no political backbone but they have always and continue to show no political backbone during the past 7 years. But to believe that the Democrats are responsible for the events in Iraq is laughable.
This goes back well before September 11, the justification for Clinton bombing Iraq was WMD and the maintainence of sanctions goes back to it as well, acknowledging the failures of the intelligence services and the politicians demands going back before Bush.
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