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Old 09-28-2004, 07:05 AM   #91
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Yep I agree. My post doesn't really apply to you I dont think though as its not an issue you are considering just yet if I've assumed right lol. But on that topic, I reckon you need to simply sort out which politician can most match what you need. You're smart, educated and aware. If Kerry was what you thought you wanted in your President, he'd have got your interest by now, no? I'm still not talking about anything in relation to your main purpose so I'll just leave now
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Here's a link with more on the Contra affair and a link to his work on the BCCI

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20004/
There's a passage in your book that details a part of John Kerry's career in the Senate – his investigations into the Central American Contra scandals in the 1980s. You show that Kerry stayed firm under pressure from his colleagues, the White House and the mainstream press. Could you start by painting the background on the Contra affair?

In the early to mid-1980s, the war in Nicaragua was underway, and the Reagan/Bush White House was determined to support the Contras – these insurgents who were fighting against the Sandanistas, the leftist government that had taken power in Nicaragua. The Contras were developing a pretty unsavory reputation for human rights violations, and some of the activities that the CIA made to back the Contras at the time were clearly in violation of international law.

The U.S. Congress, beginning in 1984 and going on for the next couple years, voted to restrict or prevent U.S. military assistance that would go to the Contras in Nicaragua, and Reagan signed on to it with some protest. But the White House tried to circumvent it soon after. They turned to Oliver North who was then a Marine officer, serving on the National Security Council and also working with office of Vice President George H.W. Bush and some of the CIA people that he had surrounded himself with, going back to his days when Bush was CIA director. There was an effort to run a secret operation to provide various kinds of assistance to the Contras — money, in some cases helping them to get guns and other kinds of armaments to carry on the war, which Congress had effectively tried to block.
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Kerry's report came out in 1988 or 1989, and he was able to lay out that the Contra operations on both the Honduran and Costa Rican sides of the border with Nicaragua had become implicated in the cocaine trade, and that a number of groups that were helping – for instance, the Honduran military, and the Panamanian government – also were implicated in the cocaine trafficking. So his report came out, and it was pretty much buried deep inside the newspapers.

Kerry then branched off from there to do some more work on the Panama element, which were more widely accepted, which showed that Manuel Noriega was involved in drug trafficking involved in various ways. That in turn led Kerry to look at the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), on which he also did some remarkable work in terms of showing how this Middle Eastern bank intersected with some of the drug trade, terrorist groups and with intelligence agencies, including the CIA. This exposed this whole arena of influence peddling and accepting corrupt money. The trouble with the BCCI investigation for Kerry was that it was a bipartisan investigation – it was a bipartisan scandal, and Kerry took a lot of hits from both sides, both Republicans and Democrats in Congress were upset with him for looking into some of that.

Editor's note: For more on Kerry's BCCI investigations, read John Baskin and David Sirota's article, "Ahead of His Time."

So Kerry went through these investigations, which were really quite historic in terms of their import, but Kerry got nothing out of it terms of credit from the press or public. It wasn't really until 1998 that the CIA inspector general, Frederick Hitz, did reports about the Contra drug activity – it was in the context of later allegations that emerged about the Contra's involvement with crack cocaine. While Hitz dismissed the more extreme allegations that some were making about the CIA and its involvement in the crack epidemic, Hitz's reports did confirm virtually everything that John Kerry had said back in the late '80s. So, while Kerry was vindicated, no one really noticed, and it didn't help Kerry politically. But these were important investigations.

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Interesting, Scarletwine, I didn´t know Kerry had a history for investigating the Contras. Thanks for the update, makes a point for Kerry on my political map.

Also interesting:

"He didn't make a big deal out of it.

Maybe it was because Kerry was new to Washington and didn't realize that his career wouldn't advance as long as he pursued investigations like these."

detail: its Sandinistas, not Sandanistas. The national hero of Nicaragua is called Sandino.
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Uhh....ever hear of the partial birth abortion ban? (that Bush signed and Kerry opposed)
I can't believe this hasn't been challenged. Bush signed the bill knowing that it would never stand because it did not contain a provision that would have allowed the procedure if the health of the mother was in danger. It was a very safe thing to do, pandering to his base while effecting no change whasoever. And it gave him a stick to beat his political opponents with. It's not the first time he's put political maneuvering over what was best for the country. Funding for Iraq, and staffing the Department of Homeland Security, for example.
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DREADSOX:He lacks executive experience. Quite possible been a part of the system too long.
This seems to be the new Republican talking point regarding Bush's qualifications. But can someone tell me where in all of Bush's "executive experience" he's been successful? I mean, I'm sure Neil Bush has plenty of "executive experience," but that doesn't mean he'd make a good president.
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Its interesting that when I make a point, since returning from my vacation from here, that I have twice now been accused of issuing Republican talking points. Not so. I have not ONCE visited any of the Republican sites, nor the Presidents site. THe only Republican site I visit is the Log Cabin Republicans.

Maybe I should be in the political consulting business since it appears people think I spout the party line.
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Its interesting that when I make a point, since returning from my vacation from here, that I have twice now been accused of issuing Republican talking points. Not so. I have not ONCE visited any of the Republican sites, nor the Presidents site. THe only Republican site I visit is the Log Cabin Republicans.

Maybe I should be in the political consulting business since it appears people think I spout the party line.
I'm sorry, I have read that point in a couple of places and heard it said by some talking heads on TV. I wasn't accusing you of deliberately repeating Republican talking points. Maybe you heard it from the same places I did.
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I think Mr Bush was unexperienced in international terms and you can see, feel and smell it. He's still a texan native who seems to believe the whole world is either the same like texas or wants to become like texas.
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Please read the story on the BCCI - it was a first against international terroriosm financing.
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I think Mr Bush was unexperienced in international terms and you can see, feel and smell it. He's still a texan native who seems to believe the whole world is either the same like texas or wants to become like texas.
I agree to some extent, but I don't think I mentioned this anywhere in this thread ...
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Could be, i read the thread 6 hours ago and had time to respond now - so sorry for double-posting
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Um....let me see if this is what you would like Bootleg.

-- Kerry helped cut US dealings with a bank that was known to be giving money to terrorists

DREADSOX: More info on this please.

-- Kerry also was a great lawyer and when he first came into the sector, reorganized a D.A.'s office in Mass. to make it run more efficiently. He can do it again with the U.S. government.

DREADSOX:That's what the bio says. Not exactly how some feel about him.
Great article about BCCI from Atlantic Monthly

And I haven't read his biography. I was referring to this article from the New Yorker
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I think Mr Bush was unexperienced in international terms and you can see, feel and smell it. He's still a texan native who seems to believe the whole world is either the same like texas or wants to become like texas.

He's not a Texan native first of all. That is his boot/chainsaw persona. He's totally discredited IMO.
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Could be, i read the thread 6 hours ago and had time to respond now - so sorry for double-posting
No problem.
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