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Old 09-27-2004, 07:19 PM   #76
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LivLuv...

Sorry your thread was hijacked...and sorry you've been told conservative Christianity is as a whole destructive and cares not about family. While I myself may not fall in that boat, generalizations are not only unfair...but they also won't convince you anymore to vote Kerry!

But, what more do you need to know about (my feelings on) Bush's handling of education, healthcare, and the economy, the three issues you said you were really concerned about? If you dig back through the first couple of pages, I promise there's some worthwhile information actually relating to the topic, after all! If this thread hasn't been helpful at all to you, maybe you need to ask us more specific questions about healthcare, education, and the economy, so we can answer questions that WILL help ya. Just ask, and I'm sure you won't have any problem getting dozens of detailed, heated responses from all sides around here!
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Well, the first thing is that I don't need to know anything about Bush's handling of political topics; it's Kerry I'm interested in.
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Old 09-27-2004, 07:23 PM   #78
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Don´t censor me I live like saint
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Try censoring your candidate who gets head under the desk
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LivLuvAndBootlegMusic:

I honestly thought I was trying to help you with your decision by bringing to the discussion real life examples of how Bush/Republican policies affect average Americans.

I don't believe I offered up opinions/speculations about Kerry, rather, I laid out before you how Bush/Republican policies are affecting the state of the union.

I would suggest if you aren't finding what you are looking for here that you visit the web site for John Kerry and/or the DNC...at least you'll find their platform and position on the issues....compare that to Bush and base your decision off that.

As an evangelical Christian who supports Kerry, I apologize for not being educated enough in the theology of Dutch reform to understand how it may/may not affect your political decisions. I do know that, contrary to what the Christian right teaches, I'm not going to hell for supporting a Democrat. Last time I checked, my Bible teaches we are all sinners...not just Democrats, socialists, and anyone else who doesn't agree with the Christian Right! LOL! Fact is, I believe Jesus isn't keen on many of the social issues championed by the left and he most likely isn't to thrilled with the economic/environmental policies advanced by the right. But this is only my opinion...I don't profess to have Jesus on speed dial and know his thoughts...only what HE teaches in the Bible.

Good Luck...I wouldn't count on the upcoming debates to help you much...they are being heavily scripted (32 pages of rules...everything from camera angles, makeup artists, follow up questions etc) to avoid spontaneity and challenges to each other. It's a huge Hollywood-esque production and we, the voting public, are getting bamboozeled by the whole thing. Each side is so concerned about their guy looking bad that all we are going to get is a rehearsed, robotic 90 minutes of recycled one-liners and rhetoric so thick it will make your stomach turn...don't excpect anything even approaching intrigue to arise from the debates and certainly don't expect in depth policy discussions to arise that might give an undecided voter any clue as to who is best suited to run the country. Aaargh!!!!!

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If I derailed I apologize, however, is it not fair to rebut things that are not quite true?

As for kerry and the National Guard:

#1 He is not going to do anything different about iraq.
#2 He is going to try and convince others to join the coalition.
#3 Germany has already said electing Kerry will not open the door for them to help, and I am willing to bet other countries feel the same way.
#4 The Troop activations will continue to happen no matter who is the President. Many times the new President finds out once elected that what they said in the campaign was false (IE Kennedy in 1960 and the missile gap).
#5 Electing Kerry will not change the activations because the recommendations will be coming from the same Generals at the Pentagon.
#6 No matter who is President, I believe that if there is ONE more conflict within the next three years, we are looking at a draft. We are spread too thin.
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[I'm trying to link you to something, but don't have enough posts]:
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The pages I'll give you are basic political rhetoric and vague promises (of course...this is politics folks!), but if you click on the page-shaped bullet notes to the right side, you'll at least get a pretty good idea about his platforms on these issues.
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Dreadsox: You are definately right that the situation in Iraq isn't going to be drastically changed if Kerry is elected...but LivLuv has said she's made up her mind privately on the war, and wants to know Kerry's positions on healthcare, education, and the economy. Save this for one of the gazillion threads on the war that I'm sure exist...
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And yes, I'm very worried about this draft bill being sneaked in through the House, but now I'm being a hypocrit...

LivLuv: Should have enough posts after this.
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http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/health_care/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/

Again, the bullets to the side provide a somewhat more detailed description...
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Um....let me see if this is what you would like Bootleg.

-- Kerry helped cut US dealings with a bank that was known to be giving money to terrorists
-- he was instrumental in bringing the Iran Contra scandal to the attention of Congress
-- he has served more years in Congress than Bush served as governor of Texas
-- as a member of the Foreign Relations committee, John Edwards has more international experience than Bush did when he was elected, Edwards has worked on several important international issues including terrorism abroad
-- contrary to what people will say about "trial lawyers", Edwards best known case was a class action law suit brought against a pool maker who made defective filters. One such filter severely damaged the internal organs of a child. The company knew of the defect and did nothing about it. Edwards won the case.
-- Kerry also was a great lawyer and when he first came into the sector, reorganized a D.A.'s office in Mass. to make it run more efficiently. He can do it again with the U.S. government.
-- Kerry's experiences abroad -- both in and out of war -- have prepared him to better understand the balance between the U.S. and foreign countries

Also, as a feminist, I appreciate both Teresa and Elizabeth. Not a good reason to vote for them husbands but I just wanted to plug them. Teresa has done great work with the Heinz Foundation -- I believe the foundation even donated money to DATA [correct me if I'm wrong]. And Elizabeth could hold her own as a lawyer. She also is over 50 and in addition to losing her son, she raised a smart daugher and has two small children. You try being 50 running around chasing after two small kids.

Oh, and i don't like that smirky thing Bush does. It annoys me.

Ok, that's my new rant to try and get this thread back on track.
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Um....let me see if this is what you would like Bootleg.

-- Kerry helped cut US dealings with a bank that was known to be giving money to terrorists

DREADSOX: More info on this please.

-- he was instrumental in bringing the Iran Contra scandal to the attention of Congress

DREADSOX:Good

-- he has served more years in Congress than Bush served as governor of Texas

DREADSOX:He lacks executive experience. Quite possible been a part of the system too long.


-- as a member of the Foreign Relations committee, John Edwards has more international experience than Bush did when he was elected, Edwards has worked on several important international issues including terrorism abroad


DREADSOX:Texas is the size of a country. Being the executive of Texas trumps this. As Governor he worked to bring trade to Texas. Edwars has NOT been an executive in a state, and is on his first term. As a rookie Senator, he has not been given heavy duty responsisbility by the powers of the Senate.

Bush's four years of international experience and his experience as the Chief executive make him far more experienced. Cheney's little pinky is more experienced than Edwards.


-- contrary to what people will say about "trial lawyers", Edwards best known case was a class action law suit brought against a pool maker who made defective filters. One such filter severely damaged the internal organs of a child. The company knew of the defect and did nothing about it. Edwards won the case.


DREADSOX:OK...good.

-- Kerry also was a great lawyer and when he first came into the sector, reorganized a D.A.'s office in Mass. to make it run more efficiently. He can do it again with the U.S. government.


DREADSOX:That's what the bio says. Not exactly how some feel about him.

-- Kerry's experiences abroad -- both in and out of war -- have prepared him to better understand the balance between the U.S. and foreign countries

DREADSOX:See my comments about Bush's experience as Governor and now President.

--Also, as a feminist, I appreciate both Teresa and Elizabeth. Not a good reason to vote for them husbands but I just wanted to plug them. Teresa has done great work with the Heinz Foundation -- I believe the foundation even donated money to DATA [correct me if I'm wrong]. And Elizabeth could hold her own as a lawyer. She also is over 50 and in addition to losing her son, she raised a smart daugher and has two small children. You try being 50 running around chasing after two small kids.

DREADSOX:Women(According to the polls) are not supporting Kerry the way they supported Gore in 2000. Theresa Heinz's foundation has also contributed money to organizations many, like myself would not want the 1st lady being a part of. We have debated this in here.



Oh, and i don't like that smirky thing Bush does. It annoys me.
Ok, that's my new rant to try and get this thread back on track.
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Sorry, but anyone at any job is not given 4 months maternity time.

And the issue you speak of is not republican or democrat. Its the way it is.

Or are you against women serving?
Does any politician in america believe that maternity leave should be at least 6 months, if not a year? doesn't matter if the job is the national guard or a janitor in a school. that's not supoprting family values - a good reason to question any party's stance and if the issue is important enough, to consider your vote.
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Does any politician in america believe that maternity leave should be at least 6 months, if not a year? doesn't matter if the job is the national guard or a janitor in a school. that's not supoprting family values - a good reason to question any party's stance and if the issue is important enough, to consider your vote.
Personally, I think it should be as long as the mother is breast feeding which in a lot of cases would be 6 mos to a year.

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