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Old 02-14-2003, 06:43 PM   #1
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If you just close your eyes...

According to a poll recently on Channel 4 in the UK the majority of people said that the biggest threat to world peace was not Iraq or Al Quada but the USA.. This is from people in a country who`s goverment are supporting the possible US invasion of Iraq with troops and equipment. Anti Americanism is growing by the day, millions of people will march in all the major cities of the world tomorrow against a war on Iraq. The US could conquer every country in the world but would still have to deal with terrorism. If there is solid proof that the Iraq goverment had anything to do with 9.11 or was harbouring terrorists where is it? A lot of Colin Powells speach the other day has been discredited, even by Hans Blix the chief weapons inspector.

Iraq has very weak defences, The US and UK badly weakened Iraqs army during the Gulf war and have been doing so sparodically ever since, We will be fighting a country that cannot really defend itself, Its like a School Bully picking on the weak. When was the last time Saddam Hussain said he will can and will Nuke America if provoked as North Korea did this week, yet where are the troops massing on the Korean Border even though Bush said it was part of his "Axis of Evil"

What I do not understand is why after all that happened on 9.11 the US and UK want to attack Iraq when they should be concentrating on flushing out these terrorists cells. I find it ironic that we in Britain are sending troops to fight Iraq when at the same time thousands of immigrants are pouring through the channel tunnel, Who are these people? why are most of them young males with no family, This country could be harbouring hundreds of terrorists and we would not know until its too late.

I fear war agaist Iraq is inevitable, Bush is so determined to go to war that nothing will stop him, The only reason he is going through the United Nations is because of pressure from Britain, The world powers are starting to stack up against the US and UK and a second resolution seems unlikely, A war with Iraq could spiral out of control. however bad Saddam Hussains regime is I dont see why its up to us to sort it out, If Bush thinks all these countries with weapons of mass destruction are a threat to America where will he go next? where will it end? who designated the US the worlds police? It will only stir up more anti Americanism and more attacks like 9.11. Why is Bush so determined to go to war, maybe the US administration knows something everybody else doesnt, but unless it comes up with a better exuse for war, people will not support it. The only heartening thing I see is the amount of Americans and British against this war. Mabye (Hopefully) constant pressure will bring Bush and Blair to their senses.

It amazes me that a prime minister can go ahead with plans for war even though most of the country dont agree with it? He must be very brave (Or very misguided) Lets hope we dont live to regret it....
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I share your concerns Ace Rimmer, I feel the same. Lets hope that the massive worldwide manifestations againts the war, planned for this weekend, may reach their aim and speak to the minds of the worldīs most powerful men.
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My president may be one of the most powerful, but keep in mind that he's also one of the stupidest.

It doesn't look good for the planet.

My apologies to all of you. I didn't vote for the fucker.
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My president may be one of the most powerful, but keep in mind that he's also one of the stupidest.

It doesn't look good for the planet.

My apologies to all of you. I didn't vote for the fucker.
Holy shit Martha, I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Today, somebody said to me,
“Everything is so screwed up, it's like some drunk is running everything.”
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My president may be one of the most powerful, but keep in mind that he's also one of the stupidest.

It doesn't look good for the planet.

My apologies to all of you. I didn't vote for the fucker.
Very well said.

I was too young to vote, but if I had been old enough at the time, I wouldn't have voted for him, either. My parents didn't vote for him, which is good.

I hope he gets his butt handed to him in 2004.

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Old 02-15-2003, 05:41 AM   #7
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i look forward to the draft, but i hope by the time everyone is taken from their families and normal lives, that the army will have brought back the goose-step. its an obvious sign of greatness.
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martha and others,

I donīt know if Mr. Bush is one of stupidest leaders ever, I cannot judge him, I donīt live there. But I think that if him and his pairs like Mr. Blair were really worried about terrorism and interested in helping Iraqi people to get rid of the evil dictator that is Saddam Hussein, your CIA would know what to do. Something along the lines they did in Latin America in the 60īs and 70īs would do the trick. The funny thing is...most of the time they helped the wrong guys. Thinking better, itīs not funny at all. Anybody who has lived under the oppresion of a military dictatorship knows what Iīm refering to.

People have suffered enough in Iraq, I see reports about mothers and children dying there everyday because of UN embargo. Why a war to destroy their country this way? It must be for another reason, like Ace Rimmer said, maybe cheap and abundant oil, and for that you must control the area, more than just killing evil Saddam. Al Qaeda and the brutal terrorist attack they perpetraded to your country in 2001 seems more like an excuse. Thatīs the opinion of millions outside US boarders, believe me.
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Something along the lines they did in Latin America in the 60īs and 70īs would do the trick. The funny thing is...most of the time they helped the wrong guys.

It must be for another reason, like Ace Rimmer said, maybe cheap and abundant oil, and for that you must control the area, more than just killing evil Saddam. Al Qaeda and the brutal terrorist attack they perpetraded to your country in 2001 seems more like an excuse. Thatīs the opinion of millions outside US boarders, believe me.
I believe you, follower. It's the opinion of many here in the US as well, except that no one gets to hear it because of the chicken-shit, corporate-controlled news media.


About the US helping the wrong guys; that is never an accident, especially when you consider the fact that my country made sure that the Taliban government was installed in Afganistan simply because they were against the Soviets. Rest assured that if this war does displace Saddam, the goverment that is installed in Iraq will be just as oppressive, if not more so. That's the way my country conducts itself. And no one here ever learns from the past.
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As a non-American, I feel like those of us outside the USA, who had nothing to do with electing Bush are being held hostage. We can march and protest, but so what? Bush wants war and he'll get it, at the expense of all of us. Unreal.
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I believe you, follower. It's the opinion of many here in the US as well, except that no one gets to hear it because of the chicken-shit, corporate-controlled news media.


About the US helping the wrong guys; that is never an accident, especially when you consider the fact that my country made sure that the Taliban government was installed in Afganistan simply because they were against the Soviets. Rest assured that if this war does displace Saddam, the goverment that is installed in Iraq will be just as oppressive, if not more so. That's the way my country conducts itself. And no one here ever learns from the past.
Yep.

Sad but true.

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You know, watching the news on TV about the protests around the globe pro peace, against the war, made me remind of this old Sting song. One could say itīs dated, and it is, in fact. But the message is the same for me, especially the verses "There's no such thing as a winnable war, It's a lie that we don't believe anymore".

This was the first song I worked on the lyrics, back then in 1985, when I started to learn the english language. I still love it.

RUSSIANS, by Sting

In Europe and America, there's a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets
Mr. Krushchev said we will bury you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Russians love their children too

How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy
There is no monopoly in common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the President
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie that we don't believe anymore
Mr. Reagan says we will protect you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
What might save us, me, and you
Is that the Russians love their children too
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My president may be one of the most powerful, but keep in mind that he's also one of the stupidest.

It doesn't look good for the planet.

My apologies to all of you. I didn't vote for the fucker.

I absolutley agree. If I was old enough to vote I would not even think about voting for Bush. I know people my age who would be better presidents than him. I think that he was a spoiled child , and got whatever his dumb little heart desired. He doesn't realize that things have changed, and is going to whine and try to act smart until we attack Iraq. Because of his stupidity, we are going to be screwed. This whole war thing is turning into a gigantic mess, and it's going to get even worse
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Our economy is also getting screwed because of Bush. Surprise, surprise
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obviously. why do you think his only propaganda platform is on foreign affaris?
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