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Old 08-30-2006, 11:49 AM   #16
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Arrogant, know it all types like Rumsfeld always resort to insulting the intelligence of those who challenge their ideas and supposed knowledge. It's the last resort of the egomaniacally desperate.
In terms of insulting someones intelligence, how often in here do we see people do that to Bush or members of his administration?
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In terms of insulting someones intelligence, how often in here do we see people do that to Bush or members of his administration?


well, there is ample evidence ...
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:26 PM   #18
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In terms of insulting someones intelligence, how often in here do we see people do that to Bush or members of his administration?
Um, you do see the difference in someone in here and someone in the White House doing this, don't you?
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Can we just get back to bashing Don?
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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Americans that if they have patience, the situation in Iraq will eventually change for the better.

"Today we will not tell 50 million Afghans and Iraqis that because the going is tough -- and it is tough, let there be no doubt -- that we will abandon them to the beheaders, the terrorists, the assassins, and 21st century fascists who seek to attack us abroad and here at home," Rumsfeld told the Veterans of Foreign Wars association.
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A legitimate and truthful position, a good deal more honest than everything is alright or there is no hope whatsoever.

I do not think it is legitimate

to mix Afghanistan and Iraq

people are not saying to pull out of Afghanistan

if anything the people that were against Iraq
wanted more done in Afghanistan
and the focus kept on BinLaden

When the Bush Administration tied Iraq to 911 it was a lie

and eventually they had to admit that there was no connection


Now they are so desperate they are trying to tie it to Afghanistan?
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well, there is ample evidence ...
Thats been the opinion of many people since before the first election. Its been six years now, and this type of bashing does little to contribute to the discussion of serious issues.
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Donald Rumsfeld is entirely incompetent, so for him to be preaching about other people's intellect, morality or giving us instructions about patience is laughable.

Incredible display of hubris.
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Thats been the opinion of many people since before the first election. Its been six years now, and this type of bashing does little to contribute to the discussion of serious issues.
You have heard the man speak right?
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Um, you do see the difference in someone in here and someone in the White House doing this, don't you?
But Don Rumsfeld is not attacking people in the way that he or the President are often attacked. He is for a policy of robust intervention in the world as opposed to one that uses only carrots to try to prod people to cooperate. Its a valid point. World War I was terrible for Europe, and produced a climate where the great Powers were unwilling to step up and intervene at times that would have prevented World War II and the deaths of 59 million people. Thats an extreme example of course, but it does fit the context of the debate about when and where the United States should intervene in the world, and for how long it needs to stay in certain places.
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Thats been the opinion of many people since before the first election. Its been six years now, and this type of bashing does little to contribute to the discussion of serious issues.
what was speculation before the first election


has become abundantly clear to anyone that is not drinking the neo-con kool-aid

I can not tell you how many life long Republicans are seeing it this way
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Donald Rumsfeld is entirely incompetent, so for him to be preaching about other people's intellect, morality or giving us instructions about patience is laughable.

Incredible display of hubris.
Well, he is the appointed official of a twice elected President. Congress approved his appointment. If he is really that incompetent, then the American people could have thrown the President and him out in 2004.
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But Don Rumsfeld is not attacking people in the way that he or the President are often attacked.
Oh please? It's worse, he's a figure of authority.

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He is for a policy of robust intervention in the world as opposed to one that uses only carrots to try to prod people to cooperate. Its a valid point.
Valid point? Well then anyone who's seen the president speak has a valid point.
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what was speculation before the first election


has become abundantly clear to anyone that is not drinking the neo-con kool-aid

I can not tell you how many life long Republicans are seeing it this way
Well, if thats definitely the case, the President would not have won the election in 2004, and we would of had a Democratically controlled congress by 2002.

Imagine if we get to January 20, 2009 with still a Republican congress and a Republican in the White House. It may be the first undefeated run for a President and his party since at least Roosevelt, if ever.
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Oh please? It's worse, he's a figure of authority.



Valid point? Well then anyone who's seen the president speak has a valid point.
This is a serious policy debate, not an attempt to ridicule anyone. He did not speak in terms that I would find unbecoming of a "figure of authority". I understand why people are attacking him on this, but it would be better if they engaged on the issue rather than implying that he said this or that and focusing on HIM as opposed to what the United States should actually do.

It would be refreshing in this country if the opposition actually spent more time offering solutions and idea's for the country as opposed to the unrelenting attacks on people in office.
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Well, he is the appointed official of a twice elected President. Congress approved his appointment. If he is really that incompetent, then the American people could have thrown the President and him out in 2004.
Or maybe that makes a statement about 50% of your electorate.
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